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You've done this?

Tuesday after the opening is usually very good fishing, in RR. I learned from Fisheries people in RI that they only close the season because so many people will buy permits to fish on opening day and most won't fish again til the next opening day; all about the tradition and the social thing. Bio told me that they had tried year round trout a few years and the permit sales dropped drastically, so they went back to 4 weeks of closed season and a publicized opener. Said opening day sales paid for almost all the trout program there. I don't know if MDC operates on the same principle, but it is probable that a bunch of opening day only people do buy annual permits. Past weekends RRSP has been packed with as many people as a summer day. Several told me they drove 4-5-6 hours each way to be there.

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I did not see the agreement, but was told that it was a COE requirement. If it wasn't they shouldn't get federal funding or have eminent domain, nothing that boating or swimming puts in the water will have much effect on the treatment needs, there will still be runoff from farms and roads in that drainage. I do know of one city that bought an entire drainage area, no farms, roads, or houses left in the drainage, and fenced it against all use.

Why would that be good? The corp made them agree to recreational use prior to granting permits, didn't they? So, they use Fed money to build the thing and then charge boaters & prohibit swimming to get more money would be good for whom?

That would be unusual, they usually just stir these things up so that they can collect more donation money from the ignorant masses. If they ever win one or more bans, they lose those donors that backed them on that push; as long as the media makes the right noise PETA, HSUS etal can collect more and more money. By attacking money events the participants and sponsors will fight back and provide most of the publicity needed to stir the pot and open the checkbooks. They are masters of managing publicity and donations.

It's clearly anti hunting, probably aimed at coyote contests; but, rattle snakes and jack rabbits have been mass hunted in contests before. So, how on earth do you turn this into an Anti-fishing Bill/Law?

I have a pair of those from years ago, never used, that I recently found again and I see them listed for too much money of sites like Stockard's so made me wonder if they were in short supply or restricted.

For what reason?

I used to fish there a lot because it was pretty close for after work, as I recall it is hard to wade.

Do you think fly fishermen/women would take part if it was set up that way? Do the rules prohibit fly tackle?

nice pictures, I've been known to fly fish for bass at night; it's a different world after the lights go out. Where are the secret fly recipes?

Or puts the angler where he wants/needs to be quicker, was my thought. How many guys have won a major tourney recently in a $3000 boat?

I said I didn't know anything about these contests, but if high speed travel and great technology don't count then you could take a prize with a kayak in one of them? Would you even be allowed entry ?

It would also be a level playing field if electronics were banned. Are there people having success now that would not have it without the sonar? I don't know and much don't care; but you sure can't catch what isn't there and being on top of them is a big thing. No time (or skill) wasted fishing "might be good spots". Those lakes are pretty big and the speed of the boat plus the quality of electronics keeps the guys with the most money at an advantage. I can see that skill in reading and interpreting the displays might be a big factor. As could skill at high speed boating.

Then I don't get the "skill" factor. I'm not a lake user at all, Have little interest in the contests, but it seems that if you can see the fish you have half the battle won.

Are fish finders and such allowed in these contests?

You're right SIO3, I meant not to value it any higher than that, a look at Mo.Metals Joplin shows $.38/lb. On the subject of lead, roof, chimney and gutter flashing is cleaner and softer than drains.

Lead scrap prices ~$0.50-0.60 per pound, I think from a quick look on the net.

I thought the consensus was that trips grow faster and larger than real fish? All that energy lost by breeding stress goes into growth?

Don't know a thing about Taneycomo, but if you type in "leader" in the search in this forum (upper Taneycomo) you get 146 pages of returns, some for casting and some for fly. If you want a leader for fly, a stiffer nylon such as Mason or Chameleon seems to better turn the rigs over, Amnesia can actually be the fly line. Diameter or stiffness might be more important than pound test. Here are three links to leader building formulas; http://www.americancastingassoc.org/casting-gear/equipment/leader-formulas.html http://www.macbrownflyfish.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/leader-formulas.pdf http://www.flyfisherman.com/editorial/harveys-new-leader-formula/152361# fish won't pay attention to the leader except for the few inches of tippet that is near the fly, within their cone of vision, so the entire leader could be all one size (2# or 30#) except for the mechanics of energy transfer and turnover, and the physics doesn't change by location.

So do these things go up the river into Mo? or are they Okie only?

If they rebuilt to the same standards, it can carry the sane loads and it it was rated at 16T, it can likely carry 30T a few times- there is always a safety margin in such things. The signage is to eliminate liability when that one guy drives his 43' motor home across it, or the tour bus makes a detour like last year. My pickups have always been licensed to carry 18,000 gwt.,

I doubt very much that the OP even knew he was in the presence of so many fishing gods. It isn't clear in the sign up process that one must be a pro angler or guide to post.

I'm guessing the OP is not Mr Gibbons, nothing in the post indicated it was to me. Post was a little hard to read but this is internet and kids today aren't taught to write, spell, use grammar, tell time or read cursive; so... Pretty far fetched to believe some newbie wanted to pass what he/she considered a tip. Obviously the poster is not familiar with this forum or the people on it, we are not always kind, on one of my first posts hear a couple of you insinuated I was drunk or drugged, because of differences in opinions that are probably of a genetic, religious or political nature. In three pages of comments this is the closest any one came to a "Welcome to the forum" Carry on.