tjm

really? I've never been on either side of this, but I sure thought that only property owner/lessee could prosecute trespass and that any trespass citation had to go to court? You may need to take that citation and receipt for the fine to the state police for fraud investigation?

I'm lost here, how were places destroyed by people not going there?

I've never seen anyone eat a 'possum, Daddy used to cook them up for the dogs to eat though and unless we cooked some corn with the 'possum them hounds would starve before eating the 'possum. When I was about 14, I was tending the outdoor kettle boiling some opossums and thought (maybe not the smartest thing I ever thought) "I've heard of people eating opossum, wonder what it tastes like", so knowing the meat was fresh and butchered the same as we would have another critter to eat, I cut off a sample of that cooked marsupial, all I can say is never again. The taste is long lasting, and then some. IIRC June is the month to kill young whistle Pigs to eat. I don't think they stay young long.

We ate them when I was growing up and the young ones weren't tough at all, older ones sure are though. Grandpa had me making leather whangs (thongs) from the skins too, cut a spiral around the skin so that a single long strip is produced that uses up the entire skin. Cut the strip about a inch wide to make boot laces, because the raw hide strip will be stretched and stretched again as you pull it from spiral into a string or thong. Tough leather.

The Federal case law cited by Mo. Supreme Court in Elder v. Delcour stated that every stream has to determined on it's own facts. So unless that is one of the few Mo. streams that has been in court and determined to be a public thoroughfare, it's landowner and local prosecutor's call. Danforth listed all the streams that had been in court at that time in his 1971 opinion. In the past both MDC and DNR have published incorrect information on stream access and trespass, so, I wouldn't go by anything they say or have said. Of course like jdmidwest said you'll be fine unless someone confronts you, on any stream any where.

@Al Agnewthat kinda makes sense, and if the creeks stay low through the winter it'd make a lot of sense; but I think the streams I've fished are usually deeper throughout in the winter months and of course they have sunken trees and slabs of limestone that fish live under. Some riffles that don't hold any fish in summer may be enough deeper in the late winter that they hold bass. The creek near the house is a couple feet deeper this week than it has been for a couple months, and the wet season has just started. A fish in the same lie as it was last week is now two feet or so deeper. I would say that summer heat and low flows put these fish into "deep" holes more than an average winter does. I expect that every stream has somewhat different conditions though. And I don't know enough to say one way or another. I think I'll take water temperatures in a few places this winter just to see if the creeks cool significantly or if the feeder springs keep them somewhat stable.

Always did, I haven't hunted in 4-5 years though. I was started on butchering chickens when I was in first grade and have butchered or helped butcher rabbits, coons, groundhogs, squirrels, ducks, geese, deer , goats, hogs, cows and perhaps a few other critters that we ate, ever since. all the meat on a deer or goat is either "steak" or stew meat. Although these days I'm leery of boiling out the back and neck like we used to. I think processing three deer in one night on the kitchen table is why some of my kids don't hunt. And why the son took his buck to the hog butcher. I imagine the stuff you grind is stuff I flour and fry, or sear and put into stew.

I don't recall ever seeing the SMB in the creeks I've fished move in winter. I've only read about it here on the forum, but then on the few occasions that I got out in the winter there were still some fish where I expected to find them. Maybe some creeks have greater swings in water temperatures than other creeks? but, even so, if the main current is say 40F and that runs through a hole 14' deep and 40 yards long, how much different would we expect the hole temperature to be? would it be any different?

Any piece too small to cut with a knife is trash, I think. I make a lot of finger size steaks. But, the taste of all the samples of ground deer or elk that I've tried was terrible unless mixed 50/50 with pork, and I'd rather just eat the pork and fed the scrap deer to the possums. A friend wanted me to try his venison "summer sausage" and even through the spice and pig meat I could taste the flavor of tendons/silver skin. Every single muscle must be skinned individually if the meat is to taste good. I taste bone chips in any sawed meat too, but beef bone is more palatable than deer sinew.

I guess I'm too picky about what I eat, but, I will not eat ground venison, at all.

I never have either but I've known several people that thought deer could be sawed up like beef and still be edible. It can't. I've never seen deer from a processor that wasn't nasty tasting. My son was just lazy, and I'm not even sure he got his deer back or something else. But if the job is done right with all tendons, sinew, bones and silver skin removed $200 is cheap.

Is that boned out and all the silverskin gone? or just saw cut like the idiots my son took his to did?

Is she one of the three? Or is she the one in underwear that keeps us guessing?

I was armed, ya know, gun season. But I've slept out in the woods at odd times since I was in second grade. People usually let you know when they are 1/4 mile away just by their breathing. And all the normal woods sounds change with any new arrival.

I have a grandson that lives at Seneca and that might be a place to take him then.

I have several times when gun hunting went to sleep on the ground and had the deer wake me at just the right time. I can't get that comfortable up a tree.

Is that wading water in that area or just a boat launch?

I use shorter leaders and create (drag) motion. Dead drift is the biggest myth in fishing, except as used for large dry flies on quiet water, nothing that is dead interests a predator. That is the single reason that indicator nymph fishing is so successful, the water moves faster at the surface and it drags the nymph faster than the water at nymph level thus creating an appearance of life. When Sawyer described pulling the nymph faster than the current on a taut line, he called it "inducing a take". When Euro nymphers describe dragging the nymph faster than the current they call it "leading the nymph". About 90% of all trout are caught accidentally, when people trying to create a dead drift inadvertently induce dag. My typical leader in the Park for trout with a 6wt line is 7 1/2' - 0.017"to 5X- and if I'm fishing really small #18-20 stuff I'll add on 18" of 6X, as a concession to the small hook eye. oh, and with a 5wt I reduce that butt section to 0.015". (the key to needing long leaders is having the butt so big and stiff that it takes several feet to taper it down)

Local Conservation Agent Taney- Chris Boyd - 417-546-0833 Or Quenten Fronterhouse - 417-294-5543 Or Operation Game Thief (OGT) hotline 800-392-1111.

Who here is willing to pay for predator reduction?

Lots of midge pupae show segmentation, just like mosquitoes, it's why the wire rib is on the buzzer/zebra type patterns. I tie red thread bodies ribbed with white sewing thread. And for that type wing I like a tuft of snowshoe just tied down on top tilted forward like Better's Haystack. Edit- on looking that fly up it is intended as a Baetis imitation.

Back when I was fit enough to bowhunt, I stayed on the ground, tried trees but I found out you can't any closer from up there and stalking to less than 10 yards was where all the fun was. A dead deer is just a job. Up a tree is in jail. It's also my observation that in hill country deer spend more half their time looking up, in a tree more than a few feet off the ground is in plain sight .

My brain is likely beyond pollution, next step is senility. Or maybe that was yesterday? I fish mostly convertible (wet or dry) flies of nondescript color and shape. Things that land softly and float like an Ausable Wulff but can be pulled under as a diving bug or swung as a streamer; think Stewart's flies crossbred with a Crackleback. in pinks and oranges and streaks of ice or mylar. Every fly is different, mostly. The one requirement is they take very little time to build. The last "fad fly" I tied was probably done during the Swannundaze Craze, or it may have been a Cardinelle as that was being touted at about the same time and I recall buying a kit for them. Went through phases in my tying, first I tied everything in all the magazines, then I tied only flies that caught fish, then I tried for a few years to find a fly that would not catch a fish. These days I tie only occasionally and often attempt something "modern" just to see if it really takes 23 minutes to tie like in the videos, but only if it can be done with materials I already have. That said, I still like to read about how others tie and fish their flies.

I thought any fly fishing "in the film" was an emerger? That fly looks like many that I've seen called "emerger", and aren't emergers all basically "dry fly" in presentation?

Beyond my skill set. I've never caught a fish on a fly/indicator rig. But as always. I'm curious; what is meant by leading fly and trailing fly? Is the lead fly closest to the indicator in the dropper position of traditional wet fly rigs and the trailer at the end of the leader as the point fly would be in a wet fly rig or vice versa? and by indicator, are you referring to a suspension device?