MoCarp

I guess I am different, I always wanted the person in the boat with me to do well...some people fish tourneys because of the competing, and a chance to win $, with that comes cheating.....happens at all levels, even company Crappie tourneys when the top prize is just a 50 buck wally world card...a lot of people are in-love with chasing fame and fortune, not the love of fishing..that was just what they fell into..could have been anything darts-bowling-who has the best xmas lights.....

look for a divers float they usually are shooing up a few for the pot on beaver...but chicken liver on bottom near brush...anything shiny for a diver and a 10/0 snagging treble..they give one hell of a fight if you catch one...releasing one unharmed is another story!

Beaver is pretty much untapped but like anywhere new.... binoculars and watch for crashing fish in an area you can set up on the bank....chumming with boiled feed corn with a spoon full of crushed red pepper...scatterd where you will be set up 2-3 days before you fish.... dough-balls still work but hair rigged corn lands more fish..usually a good place to start....as far as clubs yeah...CAG has a few of us around....most are pretty tight lipped as if we go blabber mouth... we can count on a Bow fishing rig to show up (or divers) and spoil our plans...but we have a couple guys that hit beaver...but any area with a comfortable bank where you see the fish is fair game....I read somewhere AF&G stocked Israeli carp in Beaver the late 60's to eat filamentous algae, so Beaver may have more mirror carp than we normally see...below is a vid from dale hollow...a fishery that is much like beaver......you used to catch fish like that in TR... not anymore....the big Bfing events held around here pretty much killed it...same thing is happening to the Fly fishing for carp guides on beaver island lake MI....

After reading the B.A.S.S. Rule Change thread it struck me as why I shifted my focus on the outdoors and as people do what we do, In tourneys of all kinds, I was always competitive, but practicing for that bass tourney was work, forcing the issue trying to sneak in a bass or 3 while the walleyes were tearing it up, or fishing a company crappie contest, and the bass were going nuts..... I fished for FUN and to relax....the solitude of wading a Qzark Creek, catching Smallmouth on a tiny ultralight, watching a King Fisher plunge head first into the water then fly up and land on a branch 2 feet from your face, beating his dinner in the head so it quits flopping, or marvel at Mr Mink as he quickly patrols the nooks and crannies of a spring fed stream.... Trout fishing, fly rod in hand never became the national tourney crazy like bass or redfishing on the coast. Perhaps because it's is best when its you wading on a foggy morning with fish dimpling the surface, much simpler and satisfying, but here our trout fishing is a more crowded affair, shoulder to shoulder at a Missouri Trout park, the blare of the opening horn allowing you to fish like some flintstones quarry horn.... to drudge away the day, mindless.... till we can leave work to do what makes us happy......or trying to fish and a Branson jet boat roars by... or the the glow of the landings lights off in the distance, the unmistakeable din of humanity ruins the magic that was Taney in the past....... Perhaps thats why I started carp angling..easy to find a place to fish in solitude, a billion little things to never let fishing for them to be mechanical and mindless....Carp angling is an act of defiance, to resist the ills of what much of angling has become, reconnecting to the soul of fishing..perhaps thats why I share, to let others reconnect to why we all started fishing...

I do agree with you, I started being "that guy" but loved fishing and the outdoors to eat live an breathe blasting and casting for bass when so much more was to be had in fishing yep you can have $40 old school or $4500 LOOK AT MEs

below the dam at noel can be good for whites and small mouths this time of year

I am not....post a pic of what you see

There are many great fishing opportunities over seas, from Ebro river for Giant well catfish (on my to do list) Tamian Trout, or Zander and the giant Norther Pike that Europe has always been known for.... we are blessed with great fishing right in our area, but the big difference between us and them, we are a limit driven group for the most part, they fish for the personal best singular fish, and waters are managed as such, but for some reason the one fish that is really eaten there are trout and salmon.... also a steam sauna between fishing with the right female company would be fun too https://www.riverebrocatfishing.com http://fishmongolia.com https://fishing-in-sweden.com/zander-fishing-sweden/

Glad to you back at it...if more knew how fast your health can fail...they would go fishing more!

Nah they don't do that there..... Zebra Mussels are native there prob munching on those...I hear Mussel flavor Boilies are the ticket on that lake.....your thinking of Kansas for catfish....

good point

Lake Euro Aqua is in Hungary, an old gravel pit that is managed for monster carp, from my understanding they have pike to 60# and Zander a walleye cousin to 23# I am sure that the fishermen toss a butt load of HNV Boilies that along with good genetics, and a pure catch and release policy allowed that fish to reach that level I will post the video I found on it I know how powerful my PB of 36# was...that would be crazy

sad.... what a waste Yup thats a heron... prob shook off..I have footage of a heron eating at least a 7 to 8# carp..I don't see how it could fly after they eat stuff that big

107.8 POUNDS!!!!!!

3 holes gigs or hawaiian slings, 2 holes herons (but they eat them) one hole..Bfers they usually eat them can't say I ever saw one go on a killing spree like a fox weasel or bobcat nah it would be smallmouths then

you get a pass then

I think over harvest is more wide spread than people think, just glad theses guys got caught..just goes to show how a few people could hammer a spot if they were good enough fishermen with poaching intentions ...and I wonder how many people still think its 5?? been 4 for a long time now....I think 2 is plenty and a min 14" limit would rock IMHO...

plenty of sunfish, crappies, whites, catfish and walleyes...more fish than you will ever eat, large trout IMHO are the gems of the fish world too valuable to enjoy just once....

Ill be sure and trumpet any and all new regs, and toast a tall cool adult beverage as the carp haters cry We have a group mirroring what is being done in the UK( see below)...in the USA. I appreciate spirited debate on this issue because it hones our 'pitch" plugs any holes in our argument and any science we need to have done to document these very issues..cool thing is the huge $ potential here in the USA makes it easy to get support...I would love to tip my hand..because I am just itching to flop it out for all the world to see...ATM we have had little quality resistance in the places we have sought change..as we gain momentum that most likely will change...your biggest fear mongering is "they will wreck the environment", CHECK we can counter that..."less carp = more gamefish"...CHECK we have that countered..."no one wants or fishes for them" CHECK def have that one counterd..."carp will never generate any $ "CHECK that one is the easiest counter of them all" know this... quality common carp fishing and regs that follow will only make your fishing opportunities BETTER..I have yet to find a place that is great for carp, that isn't great for "game fish" all the issues we as outdoorsmen are interested in are the same anywhere..so as you cast a fly...or zip down the lake you may notice some one on the bank fishing perhaps a closer look you will notice the bite alarms and the huge landing nets and realize that euro angler will catch more big fish in a trip than most fishermen will in there life....and that he will release his catch to fish again one day, usually a littler bigger...perhaps I need a day bass fishing (before LMB virus hits again) to remind me how hard commons fight "The Carp Angling Conservation Group (CACG) has been created to advise the Angling Trust and Government directly on issues concerning carp fishing. It is represented on the Freshwater Specialist Advisory Group, which is part of the Angling Trust, the sport’s primary route to Parliament. Existing carp organisations, the Carp Society and the British Carp Study Group, have limited political influence and are now unofficially represented on the CACG. “The presence of the CACG will ensure that important matters of angling politics relating to carp fishing will be commented on directly to the Angling Trust, or to DEFRA,” commented CACG Chairman Tim Paisley."

my ex wife hated the smell of them, Banned me from them...however I'd sneak a can or 3 in but she would always bust me.one of a couple reasons she's's my ex!......ritz, oysters, 4 kinds of cheese..deer sausage, Braunschweiger .....grapes....great football food!

I know that the MI fisheries people are looking into it....perhaps the MDC will as well.. I agree that more quanatative data is needed, other than just observational, here is what I'd like to see for that event, all fish shot per team turned in, and each weighed measured, and the largest fish an otolith ear bone removed and ages of the biggest fish taken, random stomach sampling..considering how many fish that would be...its a daunting task... you would need an army of people to do it... if you could even do it..considering a 12# avg thats about 24k fish! one reason the fisheries people don't want that back breaking job...if I was organizing that event it would take 15, 3 person teams all with measuring cradles and scales two lifting measuring and weighing and one logging data including the general area where the fish where taken.....and rotating so each person wasn't wore out....over 3 years you would know what was up....I remember how helpful the Bfers were in the beginning on the state of Oklahoma's Alligator Gar studies..until they realized that the data would be used to restrict harvest of the mammoth fish....then they clammed up....would be interesting how the Bfing community would react to such close scrutiny....being from Missouri, I'd say show me the numbers Before the growth of the Branson area and increase of pressure on trout, it was common to catch a limit of trout measured in pounds not inches, I personally have had many a limit avg 4 pounds....over time the sizes got smaller and smaller....then as they investigated the fish were being removed before they could grow to sizes people had come to expect..plenty of food..just needed more grow time....new regs came into effect...still keeping people happy, those that want to keep some fish for dinner, but turn loose some to get much bigger....now the triploid trout to get bigger faster..who doesn't want to catch more and bigger fish?.....I will tell you since the big Bfing growth the fish....I fish for, are fewer and smaller.....I had a friend that had started guiding people fly fishing here for commons...that potential business died when the big Bfing events started here...over time the fishery will collapse, any over harvest will do that, its been proven all over the world..big and small waters alike. One I wouldn't eat anything from there not even a walleye yet people eat tons of fish..,..unsure if any fish are still commercially harvested anymore, salmon, lake trout, walleyes all used to be harvested, Lake Michigan is a very big expanse of water...with knowledge... the limits of sustainability can be understood..so many waters in the US have been obliterated by over harvest and habitat degradation..in they native waters of eastern Europe common carp are becoming a species of concern...those waters are biome-ically speaking, are much like the great lakes...In closing more anglers chase common carp than do Muskies...few fish can rival the distribution on common carp in North America, the potential of Euro Style angling economically is incredible and sustainable....

Hey... you never now he might get an urge to have something big rip off a few 20 yard reel screaming runs As a note I caught some of the biggest white bass in RR that I have caught in the lake, Once pulled up to the dock at big M and the guy pumping gas one day asked "if we caught anything," told him "some white bass and did he have a scale?"..with bored indifference at our catch report he pointed us to a scale, My brother and I picked out the 4 biggest..and the guy perked up and said "THOSE ARE SOME NICE WHITES!"...the scales said the smallest was just over 3# largest an oz under 4# (still wish I had mounted that one) he started pumping us for info then as a note these dipped into some oil from a can of smoked oysters catches monsters, if you can keep the trout and big catfish off.....funny when your fishing and hook something not fighting much and its a 5 pound rainbow or you say.... "crap its another channel cat" back in the day thought I had a wall hanger smallmouth in Stockton, after 20 min of fight finally saw it was about a 12# common carp, to say my heart sank was an understatement..got pissed at just a darn carp..but it was a fight I still remember as one of the best I ever had,..If you told be I would be fishing for them on purpose, I prob would have put you off my boat....