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How many more long TD runs does Jamaal Charles have to make before Haley realizes that the guy is one of the top backs in the league? It makes no sense to have him split carries with Thomas Jones. Charles is a huge talent, I can't figure out what Haley is thinking.

Very nice, good pic!

If it would stop raining I could go fishing and stop posting here I have heard many economists say that it is WWII that pulled us out of the depression. Not that I would recommend another WW to end this recession, would not even think about it.

I think there is a law of physics that says if an internet forum topic goes on long enough it will eventually turn to politics.

Chief, quite frankly, you're speaking gibberish. Maybe you can write another 3 paragraphs of nonsense in reply. I'll check back tomorrow.

Hey Wormer - I know exactly where that no wake buoy is you are talking about and I had the same question, how far from that buoy does the no wake rule apply? Apparently the enforcement people don't know either! Geez, from what JEB and you are saying, sounds like the folks that enforce the laws on Beaver need a training session so that they know what the law is they are enforcing.

Hey Wormer - I know exactly where that no wake buoy is you are talking about and I had the same question, how far from that buoy does the no wake rule apply? Apparently the enforcement people don't know either! Geez, from what JEB and you are saying, sounds like the folks that enforce the laws on Beaver need a training session so that they know what the law is they are enforcing.

I could live with a lead ban if it was phased in over a reasonable period of time, or a ban on small sinkers, or banning lead in certain lakes or streams where there is clear evidence of a need for the ban. But I could not support this petition to the EPA to absolutely ban lead. The organizations that are asking for the lead ban could probably get support from anglers if they took the time to understand our concerns, but when they blindside you with something like this and try and force it on you it rubs people wrong. Environmental organizations, which in general are well meaning, seem to have a "We know better than you" attitude and because of that they can come off as seeming to work behind the scenes to ditate to us how we will live our lives. We're Americans, we don't like it when orgnizations come out of nowhere and try and dictate how you will live your life, and if you don't like it, tough because it's now the law and we'll throw your butt in jail if you don't conform to the new laws. This issue is also being dicussed on some of the other fishing forums I frequent. Lots of opinions out there on this isssue.

No Chief, not agreed, the 2% < 96% was in reference to brass not tungsten. Do you know anything about the toxicity of tungsten? Maybe you should do a little research.

Yeah OB, lead is evil, but yet other suspect metals (brass, tungsten) which are suspect are OK by you. I think it's an idiotic assumption to assume that tungsten is OK. Better to err on the side of safety.

Yep Ann you are right, to be true friends of the environment we should ban all fishing. And kill all cats

According to this article, if you're concerned about "potential" adverse effects to the environmet, you should not use tungsten either. http://pubs.acs.org/cen/science/87/8703sci2.html From the article: The metal's toxicity is relatively low compared with, for example, mercury's or lead's, but "tungsten anions are never inert to living things," Tajima says. Chronic exposure to tungsten species by, for example, ingesting tainted water or foods, even at a very low concentration, is probably a more important issue than acute toxicity, he says.

Excellent! How deep of water were you picking up the black bass? Were they near docks or were you getting them on the points?

I like to fish, but putting up with that level of craziness just isn't worth it to me. But, I can now fish during the week (and I am thankful for that). Nice bunch of fish, kudos to you for being able to pull them out in the midst of all that stuff.

After all this, and I appreciate the anti-lead arguments, I will still be using lead. I do use tungsten for t-rig weights, because it's more dense and makes for a smaller weight. If someday, jig and spinnerbait manufacturers offer tungsten lures and they are priced similarly to lead ones, I'll buy them. But I do not see enough of an impact on the environment to support a ban on the use of lead in fishing tackle.

OK, look at the loon study and think about what it says: Diagnostic and analytical findings are presented for 105 common loons (Gavia immer) found dead or debilitated in New York (USA) from 1972-99. Aspergillosis (23% of cases) and ingestion of lead fishing weights (21%) were the most common pathologies encountered. Stranding on land, shooting, other trauma, gill nets, air sacculitis and peritonitis, and emaciation of uncertain etiology accounted for most of the remaining causes of disease or death. 105 loons dies in a 27 year span (1972-99), that's about 4 per year. Only 21 % died from lead poisoning. So in total 22 loons died from lead poisoning in 27 years, less than one per year. In the case of the penguins, again if you read what you're referencing, death by lead poisoning is far down on the list of penguin mortality. And in the Pacific Loon case it clearly states it is lead shot that is the issue. Yes lead is a problem, banning lead shot is good, I can see where a ban on lead split shot might make sense, though I am not convinced that by itself it is an issue. But I see no reason to ban the use of lead in fishing lures such as jigs or spiiner baits.

Still haven't seen any proof or references to how lead used in fishing lures (not lead shot or split shot) is having any significant impact on waterfowl or any fish or animals. The somewhat longwinded arguments I have seen do not quote any studies, which is about what you would expect from a 4th graders paper on lead in the environment.

I think most jigs are still US manufactured. Lots of small tackle manufacturers out there making jigs, be a shame to see it all go to China. And do US tackle manufacturers (those that are left) import the lead they use? Probably not. But if they are forced to use tungsten they will have to import tungsten. I guess I'm old fashioned, I support US workers and manufacturers.

I can see where lead shot or small split shot can be ingested by waterfowl and cause issues. If I was a duck hunter I would have no problem using steel shot. I don't see where larger lead weights, or lead headed spinner baits, jigs etc., cause any environemtal damage whatsoever. I could see where it mgight be possible for a waterbird to ingest a jig or spinner bait, but if that happened, the hook would probably be more of an issue than the lead. I have not seen in this thread, or any where that I have read about this issue that large pieces of lead that you would see in large weights or lures is causing any significant enviromental damage. If anyone believes so, please provide references. A note about tungsten - it is not mined in the US, 75% of the worlds supply comes from China. So if lead was completely banned for use in manufacturing fishing lures, we just be sending a little more of our money to the Chinese If we're going to ban anything, it should be braided line, I drag up balls of that stuff all the time. The problem with these government people making decisions like banning lead for fishing, is that they are not on the water like we are. We see the environment as it is, they see it through a microscope.

Almost 4000 views now. I was out yesterday, the bass are biting. 50 degrees this AM. It's all good.

Sent them a response. BTW, tungsten which is probably the best alternative to lead, is not mined domestically. 75% of the worlds tungsten production comes from China. So not only would we be forced to pay more for a lead substitute, the Chinese would be the main benefactors.

Sweet potatoes aren't really potatoes, they are in some other plant family. I quote, from Wikpedia: "The genus Ipomoea that contains the sweet potato also includes several garden flowers called morning glories, though that term is not usually extended to Ipomoea batatas. Some cultivars of Ipomoea batatas are grown as ornamental plants; the name "tuberous morning glory" may be used in a horticultural context." So next time you are at a family get together for Thanksgiving, ask someone to please pass you the "tuberous morning glory".

I did not see this thread until now, every once in a while I drag some shells up while fishing a football jig in the local lakes, big mussels, maybe 4 inches in length, dunno if you are interested in lake mussels, but if so I will save them should I bring some more in.

I have a Temple Fork rod myself, use it for pitching jigs, it's an excellent value for the money. Don't even eat baked potatoes, get yams or sweet potatoes instead, much healthier than regular potatoes. And you won't need to put nasty fat free sour cream on yams or sweet potatoes, just butter them up with some fake butter. Fake butter, though not as good as the real stuff, is not as foul as fat free sour cream.

There's so much stuff he could need that now that I think about it I don't know if I would even want to make any suggestions. You might want to get on some of the larger nationwide forums for some info, not that there aren't knowledgeable folks here but for example on bassresource.com there's a forum for tournaments and there's some threads that talk about college fishing tourneys like this one http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1259806335 There's many threads about rods//lures/techniques and which set ups are the best for the money, etc. on that forum also. Good place to do some research and maybe narrow things down so you can focus in on what he's going to need.