Stoneroller Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/ray-county-cattleman-kills-mountain-lion pathetic that this kind of thing is allowed to happen. wasn't even eating or harassing his cattle. Zero reason to destroy a beautiful animal like this. Fish On Kayak Adventures, LLC. Supreme Commander 'The Dude' of Kayak fishing www.fishonkayakadventures.com fishonkayakadventures@yahoo.com
jdmidwest Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Yes it is a shame. They should have waited till it actually killed a cow and shot it off the carcass. Bears, Mountain Lions, Elk, Otters, and Rattlesnakes. All harmless and perfectly natural in a world with out man and domestic animals. Reintroduce them and you start having problems. Unless you get rid of man and domestic animals and then all will be in balance in the natural scheme of things. We really can't have our cake and eat it too. Mammoths, Saber Tooth Tigers, and Dinosaurs were here before us too. If by some means of modern science we could bring the back, should we have them too? "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
taxidermist Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Or waited until it killed a small child. The story says the mans hounds treed it in his pasture where cattle were. Sounds to me like it was stalking calves.
Ham Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 lots and lots of cows. No near enough mountain lions. Every Saint has a past, every Sinner has a future. On Instagram @hamneedstofish
Terry Beeson Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Lots and lots of small children too... Would this qualify as an invasive species? Wonder what would have happened if this cat had been treed in the back yard full of small children and house cats? Pathetic? I disagree... Not so much that the guy should have shot him on the spot, but then again, I wasn't there, so I won't judge. This farmer makes a living from his cattle, or at least tries... Protecting his livestock is a high priority. Been there, done that. A small calf is $100 or more in his eyes with a potential for more. JD has a good point... We want all this "nature" but we want our "civilization" as well. The balance is tough, if not impossible, to attain. I think we should walk a mile in the farmer's moccasins before we criticize... TIGHT LINES, YA'LL  "There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process." - Paul O’Neil
Stoneroller Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 wow, education is the first step to UNDERSTANDING!!! Mt Lion weighs 150lbs a cow weighs 1200lbs. ANY of you who weigh 150lbs, go out to a pasture and tackle a cow (that isn't sleeping) YOU have opposable thumbs so no crying about how you dont have claws or sharp teeth, go do it. When you recover from your hospital stay, we'll then have a discussion about the physics of how mt lions prey on other animals. Does your domestic cat go outside and kill 25lb ground hogs and bring them back to the house? No they kill items much, much smaller than them. Too much risk in getting injured trying to take down a 1200lb cow as opposed to a tasty bunny rabbit. and wtf is that supposed to mean "walk a mile..." I'd rather not walk in the shoes of some inconsiderate murderer who has zero respect for the natural world around me and who KILLS a wild animal that is not going to be consumed for food. Note that no where in that article does it say anything about him loosing livestock, the cat harrassing his livestock or him even having any idea that cat was around his place until his dogs treed it and he killed it in cold blood like a coward. I grew up on a farm with over 400 head of cattle and 400 acres of tillage. The only predator that a farmer needs to worry about are other HUMANS! we need to wake up and realize that we are destroying EVERYTHING we touch. The attidude of "this is OUR planet" needs to go. We don't OWN anything on this earth except ourselves. Treat the earth and it's creatures as you would like the earth to treat you and your family. Funny how up in arms people on here will get over a fish, yet an endangered species protected by federal law and some of you act like it's acceptable. Take a good long look at your contradictory position before you attempt to call yourselves "sportsmen". Fish On Kayak Adventures, LLC. Supreme Commander 'The Dude' of Kayak fishing www.fishonkayakadventures.com fishonkayakadventures@yahoo.com
Terry Beeson Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 First of all, Stone, if you grew up on a cattle farm, you should know that while cows weigh 800-1200 lbs. (according to breed and other factors) newborn calves weigh 70-100 lbs and are very vulnerable in the first few days of life. And while a 1200 lb cow would be very protective of her newborn calf, a 150 lb cougar can do a lot of damage to her and the calf. And secondly, "...inconsiderate murderer who has zero respect for the natural world around me and who KILLS a wild animal that is not going to be consumed for food..."???? As I said, I wasn't there, so I will NOT JUDGE HIM! Murderer? Really? Strong language... The only predator we need to worry about on a farm is human? I suppose you used no pesticides to kill the poor innocent insects that sucked blood and spread disease in your herd or ate your crops. Ever find a newborn calf half eaten by a pack of coyotes? Inconsiderate? No respect for the natural world? Again, strong language judging someone you do not know. "Contradictory position?" I don't think you understand that statement. We don't own anything on this earth except ourselves. I agree with the principle you are trying to articulate, but give up all your material goods and I'll accept your statement as is. I'm willing to bet if someone were trying to steal your car, you wouldn't just stand around and say "oh well... I don't own it anyway." I'm not necessarily advocating we go out and kill every animal we see that we don't "like" for whatever reason, but at the same time, radical behavior to "protect" nature can sometimes do more harm than good. Human intervention, such as re-introducing a species, is good in principle, but not necessarily a good thing in all cases. PETA is a great example of human intervention that does as much harm as good in some cases. Sorry, but I AM a sportsman. And I'm sure you are. I think we actually agree in principle on this issue. I just am of the opinion that the details are different. TIGHT LINES, YA'LL  "There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process." - Paul O’Neil
Gary Lange Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I am quite sure that the Mountain Lion could take down a good size calf with no problems and would try if deer were not plentiful in the area. It is just food for them and they mean nothing personal. They will also take a human without hesitation and have numerous times in our western states. Respect your Environment and others right to use it!
Smalliebigs Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I am quite sure that the Mountain Lion could take down a good size calf with no problems and would try if deer were not plentiful in the area. It is just food for them and they mean nothing personal. They will also take a human without hesitation and have numerous times in our western states. Gary, I couldn't agree with you more. It's a blurry line between what we want and need from the Wilderness. I remember when I lived and worked in Colorado out of college for Ralston Purina.I lived and worked in Summit County @ Arapahoe Basin, but I remember one of the most grusome accounts of a Cougar attack and kill back then, I think it was 1992 or 1991. A cross country star for a highschool just east of Estes Park was on a training run in a very small wooded area on the campus of the school when a Cougar stalked, attacked and ate the young man. The cougar claimed his body and fed on it for two days and was guarding it when authorities killed the Cougar.The worst part was the young man was 17 about 165 pounds and in the local papers there were pics of the claw marks in the soil the boy was making in an attempt not to be dragged up a steep hill ajacent to the track where he was attacked. I guess some people would think that is a good death???? sounds like an absolute nightmare to me....Cougar's generally try to scalp you and go right for your neck when they attack humans, which isn't very often. I still don't think I would just kill a Cougar @ our farm, but I would be darn scared for my daughter when out there. My uncle lives in New Mexico and has a large piece of land, he says if you keep a little pack of Back&Tan Coon Hounds and Blueticks they will run off just about all of your Cougar problems.They love to run em and tree them.
eric1978 Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 If you don't want to be attacked by a shark, stay out of the ocean. If you don't want to be attacked by a mountain lion, stay out of the woods. Some people die from bee stings...should we eliminate bees from the planet? You can't just go around killing because it poses a threat to you.
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