Feathers and Fins Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 I just need to chuckle when these topics come up. We think nothing of spending money on so many things when what we should be doing is finding what works best for ourself and then getting it. Nothing is more important than the thing that connects you to a fish and that is the line. The best lure in the world is no good if there is no way to reel it in, The best rod and reel in the world is not worth a anything if you cant reel in the fish and the best hook and knot is still not wourth a sack of beans if the line wont bring in a fish. For me "and this is my personal taste based on years of salt and freshwater" The best line for most fish is floro, The exception being shark fishing where i prefer a brais simply because it holds up if they rub on it. The best rods are St Croix for casting and spinning and the best reel ever made IMO is the Penn Jigmaster 500! But that reel is not what I would use for our local lakes so i go to the second best which is the best for the situation and that is the Shimano reels. They are what I have found works best and most importantly is comfortable for me to use all day and feels right. The feel is more important to me than anythng else as a Rod is just an extension of your body and if it is comfortable its a pleasure to use. Salt Water I always had Sabre rods untill they went the way of the Big Corporation and lost it, luckily Leon started Cal-Star rods and the comfort continued. Heck when Uglystick first came out they were great but now they dont have the same feel. So use what makes you happy and feels right. Lord I wish my X wouldnt have destroyed all my old phot albums its threads like this I want to show people a 150lb Tarpon caught on 12pnd floro, the line held the rod and reel did the job and the angler got lucky that day. I will state for the record to many people set the drag to dam tight and try and play MR BASSMASTER and horse in the fish and this is where line failure happens, not because of the line but the angler. ANYWAY Rant over. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
dtrs5kprs Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 I just need to chuckle when these topics come up. We think nothing of spending money on so many things when what we should be doing is finding what works best for ourself and then getting it. Nothing is more important than the thing that connects you to a fish and that is the line. The best lure in the world is no good if there is no way to reel it in, The best rod and reel in the world is not worth a anything if you cant reel in the fish and the best hook and knot is still not wourth a sack of beans if the line wont bring in a fish. For me "and this is my personal taste based on years of salt and freshwater" The best line for most fish is floro, The exception being shark fishing where i prefer a brais simply because it holds up if they rub on it. The best rods are St Croix for casting and spinning and the best reel ever made IMO is the Penn Jigmaster 500! But that reel is not what I would use for our local lakes so i go to the second best which is the best for the situation and that is the Shimano reels. They are what I have found works best and most importantly is comfortable for me to use all day and feels right. The feel is more important to me than anythng else as a Rod is just an extension of your body and if it is comfortable its a pleasure to use. Salt Water I always had Sabre rods untill they went the way of the Big Corporation and lost it, luckily Leon started Cal-Star rods and the comfort continued. Heck when Uglystick first came out they were great but now they dont have the same feel. So use what makes you happy and feels right. Lord I wish my X wouldnt have destroyed all my old phot albums its threads like this I want to show people a 150lb Tarpon caught on 12pnd floro, the line held the rod and reel did the job and the angler got lucky that day. I will state for the record to many people set the drag to dam tight and try and play MR BASSMASTER and horse in the fish and this is where line failure happens, not because of the line but the angler. ANYWAY Rant over. Well put, and how many bass have most of us caught on an old 4600C and a Lightning Rod or All Star? Still am, as I use one for most vertical spoon work. Used to buy rods from and fish with Bud Erhardt of Mtn. Home on occasion. He had a motto on his Fishin' Sticks with respect to power and ratings. "If a line and lure combination feels good and works good, use it." If we did not have to deal with clear water, I don't believe fluoro would present the issue or choice it does. Green big game is fine for 2' visibility, and braid starts to be a player. When you can see them in 10' of water though...
Quillback Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 I found cheapest price for seagar in-vis at united outdoors. Check them out. Yep, that's where I get my Abrazx and Invisx. 3,000 yard spool is the best value. I use floro (Abrazx, Invisix) for bottom contact stuff, weightless worm, and some cranking applications. I use mono mainly for some cranking and topwater. I also like mono for light line stuff - 4 lb. test, for throwing small shad raps or float-n-fly. With line that light I find mono to be more reliable than floro. I use geen line for mono, that way I can tell at a glance what reels have mono vs floro on them. I've been thinking of going to braid this summer for deep cranks, anybody use braid for deep cranking? I guess I could put a leader on it, but you would think with those big ol' deep cranks banging on the bottom that line visiblity would not be an issue.
Josh Holt Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 when I fished tournaments witch were night tournaments I used flourecent and low vis green and won several of them in a row and had no problem with the line I use I have used floro but I can catch just as many fish as the next guy who has 100$ line on his rod to me its all in bait presentation and rods the rods make a difference for me take for example their are several guides who been fishing around me lately and Im sure they are throwing floro and im spanking them bad because of my presentation I'm not saying floro is junk but I just prefer to use mono cause I just cant justify spending 100 on one spool of line when I can do just as good as pros with out it. Ive got 20 years expeirience here on tablerock and know it like the back of my hand and I have not one problem with catching big fish or numbers with mono.
David Unnerstall Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Are those that are using floro spooling their reels with it or tying on a leader?
Feathers and Fins Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Well put, and how many bass have most of us caught on an old 4600C and a Lightning Rod or All Star? Still am, as I use one for most vertical spoon work. Used to buy rods from and fish with Bud Erhardt of Mtn. Home on occasion. He had a motto on his Fishin' Sticks with respect to power and ratings. "If a line and lure combination feels good and works good, use it." If we did not have to deal with clear water, I don't believe fluoro would present the issue or choice it does. Green big game is fine for 2' visibility, and braid starts to be a player. When you can see them in 10' of water though... Ande Mono 12LB test + AC PLUG + 7'6 "roddy gator rod" with a Daiwa baitcaster = 14 lbs on the certified scale. Lord everytime i look at that pictures I feel very old now lol https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
dtrs5kprs Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Are those that are using floro spooling their reels with it or tying on a leader? On the spool, but with lots of mono for backing. I probably have about 50-100yds fluoro on any given reel, depending on application. Probably ends up a bit too much on some, but like the wiggle room. More likely to run a little extra on light line or spinning reels just in case a catfish or drum decides to try and spool me. Have to consider the spinning reel twist issue, and allow for that amount of line lost. Not that fluoro twists worse than mono. Most of that has to do with technique and spool size. A reel with a big spool, bigger than the 2000-2500 size most folks run, is a key to keeping twist down. Tried the braid and leader deal for fluoro the last two years and can't stand it. Think braid for cranking could be a good deal, but not sure about the lack of stretch. Makes sense if cranking suspended fish over brush or tops, not sure about banging bottom with braid.Went back to mono for cranks, from fluoro, because I was losing more baits with fluoro. Would crank down hard into the bottom and just stay there. Mono seems to give it that little bounce and float off that gets your warts back in the boat.
Members Nolan_Whaley Posted February 26, 2013 Members Posted February 26, 2013 Please don't take this as an insult but I just don't see the logic in spending less for line. Again this is not a bash. I see comments like this all the time when "Line" opinion type posts come up. We spend $100's of dollars on gas running the boat, another couple hundred pulling it, buy $15 Lucky Craft baits, have 30K+ boats, thousands of dollars worth of rods and reels and another couple hundred to couple thousand in electronics and yet we don't want to pony up an extra 10-20 bucks on a spool of maybe the most important aspect of catching fish???? The line? Like Dave said he puts the good stuff on his kids rigs because he doesn't want them to be at a disadvantage. I know I would be heartbroken if I had a 8lb'er or nice fish lost because I used cheap line.....would you pay $20 to have another chance at landing the fish of a lifetime or another $40 to have your kids, grand kids, nephew, father, brother, friends, loved ones create a lasting memory for life of a great fish or day of fishing? I know I may be taking this to maybe the extreme but to me it doesn't make sense to skimp on line. You can skimp on soft plastics, hard baits (to an extent) and rods and reels to a degree...but the business end like line and hooks I don't think you can cut corners. I don't know peoples budget or financial situations and I don't aim to offend anyone, these are just my opinions of course. Well, I don't have ANY lucky craft baits. I've bought most of my rods and reels here and there, most used, and most.. along with my boat, pre-divorce. I could spend the money on flouro to line the reels i need once a year, or i can buy something a little less cheaper, perhaps less effective, i think some would argue not. If there was money on the line, I would be fishing flouro for some applications. I'm not talking about using junk line that breaks. I'm just going with what i can afford, have confidence in, and still put gas in the boat and truck every now and then and go fishing. I can respool with copolymer several times thru the year with what i'd spend one time using invisx. I'm good enough i know I'm going to catch a few fish. Maybe a few less, but it's worth it to me. The people i take with me, won't know the difference. And if they throw a bunch of back lashes or knots in it, it's a heck of a lot cheaper to just cut it off and put some new on. And i take someone that isn't much of a fisherman with me virtually every trip. I will say, spending a bit more on braided line on a spinning reel and using a leader is a cheaper long term solution than putting flouro or copoly on that same reel. It just lasts so much longer and doesn't get the line twist. And about landing that big fish... Flouro takes much more care in tying knots. Mono/Copolymer are much more forgiving in holding IMO. I've lost many more fish on flouro than i have on copoly, and that's totally my fault for a bad knot. I've learned better now, but if one of my guests ties a knot in flouro, there is actually a lot more of a chance of losing that fish. If you are fishing seriously/tournament fishing, by all means i recommend some brand of flouro line for those applications where you are fishing the bottom and need all the sensitivity you can get.
Feathers and Fins Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Are those that are using floro spooling their reels with it or tying on a leader? Full spool, when I get out on the water I let it all out and run down the lake a couple miles then reel it in, do that no matter what type of line I use takes all the twist problems out of the lines. Learned the trick years ago and still practice it. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
abkeenan Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 Well, I don't have ANY lucky craft baits. I've bought most of my rods and reels here and there, most used, and most.. along with my boat, pre-divorce. I could spend the money on flouro to line the reels i need once a year, or i can buy something a little less cheaper, perhaps less effective, i think some would argue not. If there was money on the line, I would be fishing flouro for some applications. I'm not talking about using junk line that breaks. I'm just going with what i can afford, have confidence in, and still put gas in the boat and truck every now and then and go fishing. I can respool with copolymer several times thru the year with what i'd spend one time using invisx. I'm good enough i know I'm going to catch a few fish. Maybe a few less, but it's worth it to me. The people i take with me, won't know the difference. And if they throw a bunch of back lashes or knots in it, it's a heck of a lot cheaper to just cut it off and put some new on. And i take someone that isn't much of a fisherman with me virtually every trip. I will say, spending a bit more on braided line on a spinning reel and using a leader is a cheaper long term solution than putting flouro or copoly on that same reel. It just lasts so much longer and doesn't get the line twist. And about landing that big fish... Flouro takes much more care in tying knots. Mono/Copolymer are much more forgiving in holding IMO. I've lost many more fish on flouro than i have on copoly, and that's totally my fault for a bad knot. I've learned better now, but if one of my guests ties a knot in flouro, there is actually a lot more of a chance of losing that fish. If you are fishing seriously/tournament fishing, by all means i recommend some brand of flouro line for those applications where you are fishing the bottom and need all the sensitivity you can get. I use fluoro on all bottom contact baits, jerkbaits, spoons and medium to deep cranks. I use mono on topwater, spinnerbaits and shallow/squarebill cranks and braid for A-Rigs. I use co-poly on my spinning gear. So I am not a pure 100% of the time fluoro because I don't think its the best for every situation/presentation. But as far as bottom contact baits where sensitivity is at a premium and I want abrasion resistance....IMO fluoro is a must.
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