Oh Brother, They Shut The Web Down Too....

[Al Agnew]

The thing about this whole mess is that compromise is not really possible. The Republicans want to get rid of the ACA; that's their starting point, and they would do it by whichever way they could, whether it be repeal, postponement until they hope they get a majority in the Senate in the next election and can repeal it, defunding it, or whatever. Where is THEIR room for compromise? The Democrats can only compromise by agreeing to postpone it, which could effectively kill it. So it's really pretty much an either/or thing with little middle ground. If both sides could ever agree that it's not going away but really needs tweaking and improvement in many areas, and agree to work together to fix the problematic parts, then there would be room for lots of compromise, but they can't do that from their starting points right now. Every other piece of major health care legislation, such as Medicare and Medicaid, went through that process after it was passed, but that was a different time. Now, ideology on both sides rules the day...most Republicans think it's the worst thing that ever became a law, and most Democrats think it's absolutely necessary. "Compromise" and "discussion" are just words they throw around to pacify their less than enthusiastic voting blocks to convince them that they could work it all out if it wasn't for those demons in the other party.

That's my opinion, anyway.

[Flysmallie]

.most Republicans think it's the worst thing that ever became a law, and most Democrats think it's absolutely necessary.

If that's what they truly think then that's one thing. But it's more of that's what they have been told/paid to think. The government is corrupt on both sides.

[Feathers and Fins]

Ok Im going to make it simple for everyone. Here is the Amendment the Dems and President WILL NOT SUPPORT. No Media bias or anything else in it but the Amendment... It delays Mandatory requirement for 1 year and FORCES the president and politicians to participate in it and not give waivers.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hjres59eah2/pdf/BILLS-113hjres59eah2.pdf

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H.J.RES.59 -- Resolved, That the House recede from its amendments to the amendment of the Senate to the resolution (H.J. Res. 59) entitled `Joint Resolution making continuing appropriations for... (Engrossed Amendment House - EAH)

HJ 59 EAH

In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

September 30, 2013.

Resolved, That the House recede from its amendments to the amendment of the Senate to the resolution (H.J. Res. 59) entitled `Joint Resolution making continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2014, and for other purposes.', and concur therein with the following

HOUSE AMENDMENT TO SENATE AMENDMENT:

In the matter proposed to be added by the Senate amendment, insert at the end (before the short title) the following:

• Sec. 138. Notwithstanding any other provision of this joint resolution, the date referred to in section 106(3) shall be December 15, 2013.

• Sec. 139. For the period covered by this joint resolution, the authority provided by the provisos under the heading `Dwight D. Eisenhower Memorial Commission--Capital Construction' in division E of Public Law 112-74 shall not be in effect.

• Sec. 140. Section 1244©(3) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 (8 U.S.C. 1157 note) is amended by adding at the end the following:

• • • `© FISCAL YEAR 2014-

• • • • `(i) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in clauses (ii) and (iii), the total number of principal aliens who may be provided special immigrant status under this section in fiscal year 2014 during the period ending on December 15, 2013 shall be the sum of--

• • • • • `(I) the number of aliens described in subsection ( whose application for special immigrant status under this section is pending on September 30, 2013; and

• • • • • `(II) 2,000.

• • • • `(ii) EMPLOYMENT PERIOD- The 1-year period during which the principal alien is required to have been employed by or on behalf of the United States Government in Iraq under subsection ( (1)( shall begin on or after March 20, 2003, and end on or before September 30, 2013.

• • • • `(iii) APPLICATION DEADLINE- The principal alien seeking special immigrant status under this subparagraph shall apply to the Chief of Mission in accordance with subsection ( (4) not later than December 15, 2013.'.

• Sec. 141. (a) Delay in Application of Individual Health Insurance Mandate- Section 5000A(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking `2013' and inserting `2014'.

• ( Conforming Amendments- (1) Section 5000A©(2)( of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended--

• • (A) by striking `2014' in clause (i) and inserting `2015', and

• • ( by striking `2015' in clauses (ii) and (iii) and inserting `2016'.

• (2) Section 5000A©(3)( of such Code is amended--

• • (A) by striking `2014' and inserting `2015', and

• • ( by striking `2015' (prior to amendment by subparagraph (A)) and inserting `2016'.

• (3) Section 5000A©(3)(D) of such Code is amended--

• • (A) by striking `2016' and inserting `2017', and

• • ( by striking `2015' and inserting `2016'.

• (4) Section 5000A(e)(1)(D) of such Code is amended--

• • (A) by striking `2014' and inserting `2015', and

• • ( by striking `2013' and inserting `2014'.

• © Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in section 1501 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

• Sec. 142. Section 1312(d)(3)(D) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (42 U.S.C. 18032(d)(3)(D)) is amended--

• • (1) by striking the subparagraph heading and inserting the following:

• • • `(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, CONGRESSIONAL STAFF, THE PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, AND POLITICAL APPOINTEES- ';

• • (2) in clause (i), in the matter preceding subclause (I)--

• • • (A) by striking `and congressional staff' and inserting `, congressional staff, the President, the Vice President, and political appointees'; and

• • • ( by striking `or congressional staff' and inserting `, congressional staff, the President, the Vice President, or a political appointee';

• • (3) in clause (ii)--

• • • (A) in subclause (I), by inserting before the period at the end the following: `, and includes a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to the Congress';

• • • ( in subclause (II), by inserting after `Congress,' the following: `of a standing, select, or joint committee of Congress (or a subcommittee thereof), of an office of the House of Representatives for which the appropriation for salaries and expenses of the office for the year involved is provided under the heading `House Leadership Offices' in the act making appropriations for the Legislative Branch for the fiscal year involved, or a leadership office of the Senate (consisting of the offices of the President pro Tempore, Majority and Minority Leaders, Majority and Minority Whips, Conferences of the Majority and of the Minority, and Majority and Minority Policy Committees of the Senate),'; and

• • • © by adding at the end the following:

• • • • • `(III) POLITICAL APPOINTEE- The term `political appointee' means an individual who--

`(aa) is employed in a position described under sections 5312 through 5316 of title 5, United States Code (relating to the Executive Schedule);

`(bb) is a limited term appointee, limited emergency appointee, or noncareer appointee in the Senior Executive Service, as defined under paragraphs (5), (6), and (7), respectively, of section 3132(a) of title 5, United States Code;

`(cc) is employed in a position in the executive branch of the Government of a confidential or policy-determining character under schedule C of subpart D of part 213 of title 5 of the Code of Federal Regulations; or

`(dd) is employed in or under the Executive Office of the President in a position that is excluded from the competitive service by reason of its confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character.'; and

• • (4) by adding at the end the following:

• • • • `(iii) GOVERNMENT CONTRIBUTION- No Government contribution under section 8906 of title 5, United States Code, shall be provided on behalf of an individual who is a Member of Congress, congressional staff, the President, the Vice President, or a political appointee for coverage under this subparagraph.

• • • • `(iv) LIMITATION ON AMOUNT OF TAX CREDIT OR COST-SHARING- An individual enrolling in health insurance coverage pursuant to this paragraph shall not be eligible to receive a tax credit under section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 or reduced cost sharing under section 1402 of this Act in an amount that exceeds the total amount which a similarly situated individual (who is not so enrolled) would be entitled to receive under such sections.

• • • • `(v) LIMITATION ON DISCRETION FOR DESIGNATION OF STAFF- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a Member of Congress shall not have discretion in determinations with respect to which employees employed by the office of such Member are eligible to enroll for coverage through an Exchange.'.

Attest:

Clerk.

113th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 59

HOUSE AMENDMENT TO SENATE AMENDMENT

[Justin Spencer]

Normally this is the point where the democrats give in to keep the country from spiraling downward. I for one am glad they are finally standing up for themselves instead of caving to republican pressure. I am not on board 100% with obamacare, but feel this should not have anything to do with passing a budget or the debt ceiling. I too think that Obama has shown he is a horrible leader who has not done much to help the matter, but I really think he has given up on his opposition ever being willing to truly work with him, and not looking to be re-elected he can do what he thinks is best without worrying about losing his job.

If people choose to not participate in new health care program and instead rely on the American public to pay their medical bills in the event of a catastrophic illness, then just pay your $95 tax in 2014 and go about your life. There is no reason to postpone the law any longer, congress should spend their time improving it so that it will work better for everyone, not voting over and over again to repeal it.

[Feathers and Fins]

Justin I could agree with you IF it were not for the fact that;

1. the system is full of glitches and already there are some confirmed identity theft from it I believe it was Iowa or someplace like that.

2. the system cannot handle the volume

3. it is not a market place with competition it is ( Government only program )

4. you cannot shop out of state for better pricing. ( depending on the state you are in it could cost from 112 a month to 798 a month those are for silver plan based on the little time I spent looking ) Why should one state be more than another for the same plan provided by the government?

5. Political exemptions

6. Big business exemptions

Sorry but the first 4 say it needs to be delayed ( Delay is what they the House is asking for ) 1 year delay to get the bugs out and give the millions of Americans time to sign up.

The last two do I really need to explain them?

Read the above bill I posted that is what the Senate and President refuses to agree to. WHY wont they agree to a 1 year delay for the mandatory requirement and why do the exempt themselves and big business? Seems to me pretty cut n dry its not a ( repeal at all nor is it a defund as Obamacare is FUNDEED already ) its a delay and a removal of political exemptions.

[ScottK]

. Let the federal workers suffer like the rest of the other sectors of the country have for the last little while.

Gee thanks. I got a Fed job 5 years ago, after trying for many years after getting out of the Navy (And working 19 years in the private sector). Now, I know I'm just one of those nameless, faceless, darn Federal workers, but I take a tremendous amount of pride in my job and I'm now doing it without pay. Still required to go to work, but no check until the shutdown ends.

Comments like yours annoy the living crap out of me.

[Justin Spencer]

We all know a delay won't do anything, they've had time to try to work on it but instead have worked to try and get it repealed over and over while telling the public how awful it is. Maybe once the law is enacted they will quit trying to repeal and try to improve. I have run out of patience with putting everything off until later. If we all procrastinated like congress nothing would function.

Gee thanks. I got a Fed job 5 years ago, after trying for many years after getting out of the Navy (And working 19 years in the private sector). Now, I know I'm just one of those nameless, faceless, darn Federal workers, but I take a tremendous amount of pride in my job and I'm now doing it without pay. Still required to go to work, but no check until the shutdown ends.

Comments like yours annoy the living crap out of me.

I'm sorry about your situation Scott, you are who I feel the worst for. Good hardworking people who take pride in what they do. Keep up the good work, and ignore those who don't know the difference between the boobs in Washington, and the hard working people that keep our much needed government running.

[fishinwrench]

Regardless of who you strive to go to work for there are going to be goods/bads.

If you're self employed there are risks and drawbacks, and if you choose to take a government job there are goods/bads. Factory workers never know when they'll be cut loose.

Being self employed I often work for months without a paycheck. You just have to adjust the way you live for awhile, it's not THAT bad.

As hard as I try I can't work up a single tear for the furloughed few. Enjoy your stupid vacation, or spend it looking for a "more secure" career if the anxiety is upsetting you.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Obamacare is a disaster, even the author called it that. The good thing about it is that the Republicans can't eliminate it without a replacement. The chance for a truly workable bill is now. With the houses split a workable compromise bill should be possible, the only obstacle would be harry Reid who believes he is "THE SENATE". Obama would jump on a bill that worked, didn't give Republicans all the credit and that he signed into law during his reign.

Lets face it not a day goes by that some new misrepresentation doesn't arise. The lowest cost insurance is going to cost 5K plus before anything is paid by the plan, at least according the news and no one seems to dispute it.

There are too many not in the overall plan to keep it viable. The idea that pre existing conditions would covered requires people paying and not drawing out with some balance and ity doesn't appear the balance is there after all the exempted parties opt out.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Regardless of who you strive to go to work for there are going to be goods/bads.

If you're self employed there are risks and drawbacks, and if you choose to take a government job there are goods/bads. Factory workers never know when they'll be cut loose.

Being self employed I often work for months without a paycheck. You just have to adjust the way you live for awhile, it's not THAT bad.

As hard as I try I can't work up a single tear for the furloughed few. Enjoy your stupid vacation, or spend it looking for a "more secure" career if the anxiety is upsetting you.

You don't understand how it works. If you work for the government the common people insure that you get a paycheck as long as they are working. This goes against all that right, not to mention that someone might question what they have been doing given the fact nothing piled up on their desk while they were gone. I think that's a big fear for many. The 60-70% doing the work are going to be missed and the others might have to pick up the pace.