Grub Bite Yet?

[*T*]

boston redsocks '12, '15, '16, '18, 2004, 2007, 2013 (that's 7, not too bad)

Saint Louis Cardinals '26, '31, '34, '42, '44, '46, '64, '67, '82, 2006, 2011 (that's 11)

• St. Louis Cardinals (9205-8494 W-L, 1900 - 2014) - 11 World Championships, 19 Pennants, and 26 Playoff Appearances

• boston redsocks (8551-7977 W-L, 1908 - 2014) - 7 World Championships, 11 Pennants, and 20 Playoff Appearances

Saint Louis has as many World Championships as Boston has pennants. Win 4 more & we can talk.

This is a sports site, isn't it?

[REDSOXWSCHAMP]

i was merely stating that the cardinals have not beat the red sox in the world series in your lifetime. i know all about how many trophies the cards have and how many the red sox have.

[dtrs5kprs]

Wow. Can't wait until real sports start up again.

[*T*]

Wow. Can't wait until real sports start up again.

You're talking real sports, fishing, right? Well, it has started!

[dtrs5kprs]

You're talking real sports, fishing, right? Well, it has started!

That too. Excited for outdoor off-season football training/practice. Thank goodness for fishing during baseball season.

[REDSOXWSCHAMP]

boston redsocks '12, '15, '16, '18, 2004, 2007, 2013 (that's 7, not too bad)

Saint Louis Cardinals '26, '31, '34, '42, '44, '46, '64, '67, '82, 2006, 2011 (that's 11)

• St. Louis Cardinals (9205-8494 W-L, 1900 - 2014) - 11 World Championships, 19 Pennants, and 26 Playoff Appearances

• boston redsocks (8551-7977 W-L, 1908 - 2014) - 7 World Championships, 11 Pennants, and 20 Playoff Appearances

Saint Louis has as many World Championships as Boston has pennants. Win 4 more & we can talk.

This is a sports site, isn't it?

says the guy from STL

[Ham]

As a Blues fan, I hope *T* doesn't bring up the NHL.

[Old plug]

Ned fish are not necessarily grub fish. The opposite is more frequently true. Some of the Ned fish will be too shallow for the grub, without dropping to 1/16oz heads.

I'm sure we will get a grub bite, but am sort of feeling like it will not be what it sometimes is. With the long winter, think there will be a lot of fish that go straight to the bank without staging in the "grub" spots. Will have to see.

i just ran accross this post of yours. i know like to push the Neg Rig for whatever reason you do. But that statement you made about grubs is rediculous. I was out the other evening for a hour or so using a grub on a 1/4 oz stand up jig cast right to the bank and retrieved far slower than you would understand. I do agree though that Ned fish " are not Neccarily grub fish" . By a wide margin. " Grub staging area" sounds good too except there is no such area. Sounds more like putting down grubs in favor of a Ned rig is what its all about.

[dtrs5kprs]

i just ran accross this post of yours. i know like to push the Neg Rig for whatever reason you do. But that statement you made about grubs is rediculous. I was out the other evening for a hour or so using a grub on a 1/4 oz stand up jig cast right to the bank and retrieved far slower than you would understand. I do agree though that Ned fish " are not Neccarily grub fish" . By a wide margin. " Grub staging area" sounds good too except there is no such area. Sounds more like putting down grubs in favor of a Ned rig is what its all about.

Plug...I probably have 5# of grubs, well more of grub heads in the boat to leave tomorrow. Far more than that in the truck. I like brown fish, so by default I like a grub, at least of the 3"-5" single tail variety (and maybe some others). Like it a lot as it happens.

Keep in mind, Table Rock is not LOZ. I would not have the first clue about if, or where, to swim a single tail grub at LOZ. My first thought is the fish there are too shallow, there are too many other ways to catch them, and the water has too much color to fish the grub the way we do at TR. When I have been there it has been a much better power lake, or jig lake at any rate.

And we have brown fish, lots of them. We are routinely parked far off the banks, with the boat in 30'-40' swimming that grub for suspended fish in 15' to 25' of water. As Bill once described it, out where you would have a hard time hitting your target on the bank with a 22 rifle.

In a normal year (when was the last one of those, 2010 maybe), we get a grub bite on fish that stage off the flat gravel places...points, gravel pockets, etc. Places that are close to actual deep water, 50'-100'+. They bunch up in that 15'-25' and wait for the cues nature gives them about heading on in to spawn, or stop there after doing the same. These are places where you can catch fish in all phases of the spawn, coming and going, as weather and timing dictate. K's will also stage out in front of the deep docks- say 30'-60' on the outside ends. Those are places we consider staging places, and places where you can catch them on a grub.

At Table Rock at least, when they get in less water than 5', assuming you are not up one of the rivers in stained water, they get just a little bit touchy. If the wind howls on them then yes, a 1/4oz grub might be fine. Other times you have to downsize the head or the grub to keep it moving along the way they want it. For whatever reason, and I do not know for certain, the little rig will catch quite a few fish the grub will leave behind in those places. I've gone right down behind other boats and done it too many times to not accept it. Trust me there is no way I am better than that many local sticks. In the opposite situation, you can swim the little rig on those staging places and catch the fish others are fishing for with grubs. Sometimes more, especially if it is a flat calm day.

Really Plug, that post was more about clarifying a prior answer. Fish can be on one or the other, or both, on a given day and frequently in drastically different types of water. If you try to make either of those baits do the job of the other all the time, you will likely end up with less success. More often than not, the Ned at TR is an on bottom, dead slow (no retrieve speed at all) presentation. That is not what the traditional White River grub bite is about. It is about swimming or scrubbing the single tails along. The little rig can do that, but the grub is usually the better option off those places.

[Old plug]

You made your point and I made mine. So that is about Ip all there is to say. We just have a difference of opinion about the whole ned rig thing. .You and this whole forum will never convince me of the the ned rig is not something has ben around a awful long time. . There are times small lures. But on a whole big Fish eat bigger prey. I and I am sure many others were using what your calling a Ned Rig to catch Small Mouth 45 years ago.

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