ozark trout fisher Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 pretty simple, if you don't want to go, don't go. It is not going to change. The Ozark streams are going to be full on weekends in the summer. Fact of life. LEO enforcement is minimal, we all know that. There are just a few to go around to all the rivers. The "floating parties" will never go away. If it's inevitable, then the question is, why is this problem so much worse in S. Missouri/N Arkansas than almost anywhere else in the country? There are possibilities (such as permit systems) to be explored, it's just that everyone is afraid to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancer09 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Its a regional thing. The area is known for it and it alwayswill be. Plus we have the benefit of rivers that are clean, clear and relatively warm compared to many other places. On top of that we have good access and safe floating water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Rapp Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If it's inevitable, then the question is, why is this problem so much worse in S. Missouri/N Arkansas than almost anywhere else in the country? There are possibilities (such as permit systems) to be explored, it's just that everyone is afraid to go there. seriously, a permit program? That would be like a socialist society, would it not? Al pointed out that even in Montana there are some weekend where folks invade the rivers. How about a permit system on Lake of the Ozarks or Table Rock, or Taneycomo when it gets too crowded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Spencer Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 pretty simple, if you don't want to go, don't go. It is not going to change. The Ozark streams are going to be full on weekends in the summer. Fact of life. LEO enforcement is minimal, we all know that. There are just a few to go around to all the rivers. The "floating parties" will never go away.Like usual Jerry and I agree. Pretty simple, the same few keep complaining, the majority roll with it, and many join in it. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalliebigs Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If it's inevitable, then the question is, why is this problem so much worse in S. Missouri/N Arkansas than almost anywhere else in the country? There are possibilities (such as permit systems) to be explored, it's just that everyone is afraid to go there. I brought that up and was blasted to hell for that idea......to say that these flotillas and everything else associated with them has now real enviromental effect on the corridor is about as dumb of a statement I have ever heard......spoken like a true pimp. We had a river property in Bourbon for a long time and the water clarity would go to shiot in the evening after the tards finshed their floats at Blue Springs campground.....all of the landowners would call it the poo poo flow as the water would go from a nice clean and clear green to a silted dung brown, the river would be laced with cans from Onondaga to our place below HWY N. I don't give a dung if you drink on the river and have a good time, show your nasty fat titties doesn't bother me. The noise pollution and all the tipping of canoes and drunks wading thru the corridor sucks butt though......that's why we sold. I know where to go fish and not see that stupidity it's not that big of a deal to find good water that is peaceful and produces......ah but not like it used to. There are reasons why the fishing is much better in off season..... these hoes have a way of recovering.....it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Spencer Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Pimp here, I wish we could get some color in the water here, any time we get a little color to the water the fishing is great, but rarely happens. I agree Biggiesmalls the hoes do have a way of recovering so it is all good, floaters are happy in summer, fishermen happy the other 9 months. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Agnew Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I got blasted when we discussed this one time for this suggestion, but I still like it: Make it so you have to buy and display a tag each year on the watercraft you use on the rivers, and the rental people have to collect a surcharge on all rentals. The proceeds go to hiring more law enforcement and perhaps paid "Riverkeepers" that watch out for all kinds of environmental problems on the streams. I fully realize that would make more paperwork for the rental people, and I understand why they might not want it. And probably there would be some people who think they couldn't afford, say, $15 a year for the tag. And I don't have much of an idea of the economics involved...how much money you could take in, how much it would cost the rental people to collect the money and do the paperwork, how much administration would cost, etc. But just like a lot of things, it's partly perception. If people had to pay a little AND it was clearly stated that the money was going to protect and police the rivers, it would give the perception that the rivers need it and that they are valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Spencer Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I like it Al, I can tack on an extra dollar a boat and make it up. Would cost me 3000 a year or so, on the crazy rivers would cost some outfitters 3 or 4 times that. I would just want to make sure it paid directly for patrols on the rivers. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathers and Fins Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Ok for you that have never seen anything interesting ( this is a child friendly forum ) go to you-tube type in Girls of Havasu 1 and enjoy... I remember going there with my grandfather in the late 70's to early 80's and it NEVER looked like that until a vegas radio station started a party promo in the late 80's 25 or so years later this is what it looks like. So is this what the Ozark streams are going to be in a few more years? Is this what you really want and that is a very tame video compared to what goes on off camera. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozark trout fisher Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 seriously, a permit program? That would be like a socialist society, would it not? Al pointed out that even in Montana there are some weekend where folks invade the rivers. How about a permit system on Lake of the Ozarks or Table Rock, or Taneycomo when it gets too crowded? How this all relates to the economic principal of socialism is a bit unclear...perhaps you could expound on that. But as mentioned, permit systems work very well many states/river systems across the country. It's very widespread, so it's not like we're talking about something that a lot of people don't already deal with. Let me tell you, plenty of people enjoy (and make money off) rivers like the AuSable, Pine, Pere Marquette, etc. The permit systems there are generous, so it's not like you're waiting two months to get a slot. Most times (during the week, anyway), it's just a matter of driving up to to the ranger station and picking the thing up the morning of your float. It just puts a cap on the number of people that would prevent situations like the "Bull Float" and other such desecrations of our rivers. Would it work here? Probably not on a large scale. But the Ozark National Scenic Riverways practically beg for this to be implemented. They clearly are being overused by any reasonable standard, the water quality has been documented to have been diminished at least in the summer months, and they are already under national control. It's a situation similar to many rivers in other states where permit systems have created really nice environments for users that actually respect the resource. Not just fisherman, but also recreational floaters, bird watchers, anyone who wants to have a chance to see wildlife that would otherwise be scared away by a boom-box or constant screaming. Ever seen a blue-heron within sight of a gaggle of 35 drunken, loud canoeists? Yeah, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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