Sign Of The Times

[ness]

Full-auto can be done legally, along with short-barreled rifles and suppressors, at least in MO. It just takes a bunch of law enforcement background checks (local, fed), permission from local law enforcement, a $200 federal tax stamp, and about a year for all the paperwork to go through. I'm not sure if personal ownership is allowed, most I'm aware of are licensed through a legal trust.

I'm guessing they don't require all that before you buy the kit at the gun show?

[Kelroy]

Technically, if it contains all the necessary parts for a true full-auto or select-fire conversion, then yes, it would be subject to federal transfer laws. Just having all the necessary parts, even if they are not installed, constitutes possessing a 'machine gun,' as defined by BATFE.

There are also numerous gimmicks that simulate full-auto, such as spring-loaded fulcrums, cranks, and sliding stocks. Since they all require a separate pull of the trigger for each shot, they are still considered semi-auto. As such, they are unregulated.

[ness]

Sounds like an air-tight system for keeping fully-automatic weapons out of the hands of citizens. Whew, what a relief!

[fishinwrench]

Sounds like an air-tight system for keeping fully-automatic weapons out of the hands of citizens. Whew, what a relief!

Yeah, so who takes possession of the gun upon your death ?

[Flysmallie]

Yeah, so who takes possession of the gun upon your death ?

Apparently whoever calls dibs first. At least that's what I have experienced lately.

I can see what you are saying though. That scenario really leaves things up in the air. And the ones that are eager to take possession the quickest are usually the least stable.

[fishinwrench]

I use my Bushmaster XM 15-C4 Patrolman Semiautomatic Rifle for squirrel hunting. Turned it into an automatic with a kit from a gun show to increase my odds.

There is actually a better tool for the job if "increasing your odds" on squirrels is the real reason. It's called a shotgun.

The odds of a head shot on anything other than the first round leaving the muzzle is pretty darn slim. Seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to avoid missing a squirrel.

[ness]

Yeah, so who takes possession of the gun upon your death ?

Who cares? I'd be up there consorting with the angels by then

[fishinwrench]

Full auto RIMFIRE is really pretty stupid. If in the case of a partial jam (which is eventually gonna happen) that bolt is gonna slam down on the primer and blow up with an open receiver.

I have seen that happen 3 different times when guys (and a kid) were emptying a magazine through the action. Twice on semi-auto's and once on a pump.

BOOM! It's pretty scary when that happens.

[fishinwrench]

Who cares? I'd be up there consorting with the angels by then

Right on. And whoever the original owners kid trades the gun to for a dimes worth of blow will prolly make sure you have some company.

[Justin Spencer]

I use my Bushmaster XM 15-C4 Patrolman Semiautomatic Rifle for squirrel hunting. Turned it into an automatic with a kit from a gun show to increase my odds.

Don't remember the section on fully automatic squirrel hunting in hunter safety. I hate during deer season hearing 5 quick shots in a row because chances are a wounded deer is now running around somewhere. I love hunting with a cap and ball muzzle loader, you make sure you have a good shot and make that one shot count. That is the kind of hunting ethics I am passing on to my son. He is has taken 2 shots at deer and has 2 deer to show for it, we have had many deer in range that I wouldn't allow him to shoot because the ethical shot wasn't there. No matter what animal you are hunting, as hunters we have a responsibility to kill that animal as quickly as possible in an attempt to lessen their suffering, auto and semi-auto weapons go against this philosophy as a quick follow up shot shouldn't be necessary and seldom results in a clean hit.