Old plug Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 All this talk about the dangers of big animals you all seem to miss one. That is a doe white with a faun. They are real good at beating you about the head with thise two front hooves. They have injured and disfigure their share of people.
5bites Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 A guy at work got to witness a pair fighting in his yard this week. On their hind legs just going crazy I guess.
jeb Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 If you don't want to interact with wildlife (possibly dangerous depending on the species) then you should stay at home and watch national Geographic or possibly get your hunting fix from watching outdoor videos. If that cat was stalking the guy he'd have had no idea it was there , it was passing through and he saw a once in a lifetime chance to do something that might impress his buddies. As far as the comment that this guys life is worth much more than a mountain lions , judging from a large percenatge of people I meet on a daily basis , I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.....Sorry, had to LOL at your last statement (bolded), given all the conclusion jumping you did about the guys motives earlier in your post. John B 08 Skeeter SL210, 225F Yamaha
Feathers and Fins Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Here is the biggest issue I have with long range Yote shooting, People get killed when the Yote hunters get board and start shooting at other things or when they are just out trying to find things to shoot. If you cannot positively identify your target and what's beyond it the shot should NEVER be taken. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
Members HeWhoFishesSolo Posted November 16, 2014 Members Posted November 16, 2014 Most of the anti Coyote folks i have talked to eventually will concede they hate coyotes because if the shoot a deer at dusk and it doesn't drop.. The coyotes always eat their deer by the time they are able to find them. The need for restraint when YOU DON'T HAVE THE SHOT doesn't make a coyote a nuisance. Sloppy shot placement doesn't make the coyote a nuisance. I have coyotes all around my place, never had any animals harmed or my trash pilfered. I love hearing them at dusk all taking roll call. I'm not anti-hunter by any means, but i don't like the nuisance term being slapped on different creatures to fit someone's desire to shoot them. (only to let them lay where they were shot, and rot)
BilletHead Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Mr. Solofisherman, Do you know in the Spring when coyotes have had pups and the does have fawned the coyote will catch and kill fawns for there pups at a fawn a day. Try also to convince the cattle and sheep farmers who loose there income to the coyote population. Also we are now the stewards of the wildlife population of all animals to keep them in control since we have no large predators. I have seen mange so bad in the coyote population and parvo in raccoons when the fur market took a dip and the suffering these animals had was not pretty. There is a fine balance in nature and it is the hunters, trappers and even the farmer who takes out the surplus to keep the remainder healthy. And another thing I think you all getting upset about the cougar incident. None of you were in that mans shoes that day so you don't know what he felt and was going through. One swipe from a big cat can and will disembowel a man. Have anyone here read death in the long grass by Capstick? BilletHead "We have met the enemy and it is us", Pogo   If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend" Lefty Kreh   " Never display your knowledge, you only share it" Lefty Kreh      "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!" BilletHead   " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting" BilletHead  P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs" BilletHead
Feathers and Fins Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Most of the anti Coyote folks i have talked to eventually will concede they hate coyotes because if the shoot a deer at dusk and it doesn't drop.. The coyotes always eat their deer by the time they are able to find them. The need for restraint when YOU DON'T HAVE THE SHOT doesn't make a coyote a nuisance. Sloppy shot placement doesn't make the coyote a nuisance. I have coyotes all around my place, never had any animals harmed or my trash pilfered. I love hearing them at dusk all taking roll call. I'm not anti-hunter by any means, but i don't like the nuisance term being slapped on different creatures to fit someone's desire to shoot them. (only to let them lay where they were shot, and rot) I never understood taking the last minute shots at dusk, Personally I have thought that hunting times for all game should end at 1/2 hour before sunset as it does in waterfowl. I like deer hunting and know it would take some prime time away but it does in waterfowling also. But it gives a person time to track the game and find it while still light or twilight at least. Blaming anything in nature for eating a free meal is just stupid but so is taking a shot when the odds of successfully tracking it due to light conditions is just as stupid IMO This thread really has gone more in to hunting ethics and you can probably ask 100 hunters what is ethical in their opinions and by the time its over you would be able to separate them in to the ( 6 STAGES OF A HUNTER ). For me it boils down to this 1. Have the skills needed a. Skill to call b. Skill to lure c. Skill to make clean shots d. Skill in proper game meat preservation e. Skill to cook it. 2. Knowledge a. Knowledge of the animals habits b. Knowledge to properly identify the species c. Knowledge of the Ballistics bow or gun I am using d. Knowledge of the Local area and its traditions e. Knowledge of the laws 3. Safety a. Being able to safely get to where you are going and back b. Being able to safely use your weapon c. Never taking and unsafe shot ( Know your target and what's beyond ) 4. Fair Chase a. Hunt the game in a manner that allows it to have a chance to avoid you ( no high fences ) b. Use of your skills in calling, decoying, concealment etc to make the cleanest kill shot possible. c. When a clean kill is not made NEVER stop looking for the animal till you have found and dispatched it quickly. 5. Pass it on This to me is the most important of all morals and ethics, passing on the heritage the knowledge and love for the outdoors to any and everyone who wishes to enjoy it. And to those who don't want to do it share the beauty of it and what we get to see and enjoy each day out from the Coffee with friends in the morning to the sight of the sunrise and life renewing each day and ask them if they would like to come along just to experience something more than the couch or recliner. Now as to the nuisance issue, there is definitely nuisance animals no doubt about it but many are made that way by mans actions. I kill the local geese in wholesale fashion with no regard for anything but the legal way to take them and the limit on them, No respect for what they have become but I also know they have become that way because of man. Park Geese / Resident geese to me are nothing more than cattle needing slaughter for a good meal or jerky.... But when the migrators come down my attitude changes quickly and I see again the beauty of wild birds the way they talk and fly and in general act and I respect them greatly. I bet the same could be said for Deer who live in the woods versus Park or City Deer and even Coons and Yotes. Man is the factor that makes some of them nuisances by our practices and actions. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
Chief Grey Bear Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Ehhhh I ain't buying the fawn a day bit. Show me any study that states that. If that were to be the case, the population would not be anywhere near what it is. I also live on a current 300 head cow/calf operation, though I am not involved with it, and we have coyotes. In the decade I have been here, not one calf has been lost to a coyote. I also have free range chickens and again, I have not lost one chicken to a coyote. I have lost them to possums, vehicles and roaming dogs. You are right though, there is a fine balance in nautre. And she is far better at keeping the balance than humans are. She was doing a fine job until we came along and fixed it. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Members HeWhoFishesSolo Posted November 16, 2014 Members Posted November 16, 2014 "Do you know in the Spring when coyotes have had pups and the does have fawned the coyote will catch and kill fawns for there pups at a fawn a day" Mother nature, let the wild outdoors be just that.. The wild outdoors. "Try also to convince the cattle and sheep farmers who loose there income to the coyote population" I never said there are no legitimate nuisance animals, i just don't care for the nuisance term being thrown around on a deer hunter's behalf. That is not an example of a nuisance animal. "Hunters" like this guy that shot this Cougar give hunting a black eye. One man's opinion, you have yours..
Members HeWhoFishesSolo Posted November 16, 2014 Members Posted November 16, 2014 I never understood taking the last minute shots at dusk, Personally I have thought that hunting times for all game should end at 1/2 hour before sunset as it does in waterfowl. I like deer hunting and know it would take some prime time away but it does in waterfowling also. But it gives a person time to track the game and find it while still light or twilight at least. Blaming anything in nature for eating a free meal is just stupid but so is taking a shot when the odds of successfully tracking it due to light conditions is just as stupid IMO This thread really has gone more in to hunting ethics and you can probably ask 100 hunters what is ethical in their opinions and by the time its over you would be able to separate them in to the ( 6 STAGES OF A HUNTER ). For me it boils down to this 1. Have the skills needed a. Skill to call b. Skill to lure c. Skill to make clean shots d. Skill in proper game meat preservation e. Skill to cook it. 2. Knowledge a. Knowledge of the animals habits b. Knowledge to properly identify the species c. Knowledge of the Ballistics bow or gun I am using d. Knowledge of the Local area and its traditions e. Knowledge of the laws 3. Safety a. Being able to safely get to where you are going and back b. Being able to safely use your weapon c. Never taking and unsafe shot ( Know your target and what's beyond ) 4. Fair Chase a. Hunt the game in a manner that allows it to have a chance to avoid you ( no high fences ) b. Use of your skills in calling, decoying, concealment etc to make the cleanest kill shot possible. c. When a clean kill is not made NEVER stop looking for the animal till you have found and dispatched it quickly. 5. Pass it on This to me is the most important of all morals and ethics, passing on the heritage the knowledge and love for the outdoors to any and everyone who wishes to enjoy it. And to those who don't want to do it share the beauty of it and what we get to see and enjoy each day out from the Coffee with friends in the morning to the sight of the sunrise and life renewing each day and ask them if they would like to come along just to experience something more than the couch or recliner. Now as to the nuisance issue, there is definitely nuisance animals no doubt about it but many are made that way by mans actions. I kill the local geese in wholesale fashion with no regard for anything but the legal way to take them and the limit on them, No respect for what they have become but I also know they have become that way because of man. Park Geese / Resident geese to me are nothing more than cattle needing slaughter for a good meal or jerky.... But when the migrators come down my attitude changes quickly and I see again the beauty of wild birds the way they talk and fly and in general act and I respect them greatly. I bet the same could be said for Deer who live in the woods versus Park or City Deer and even Coons and Yotes. Man is the factor that makes some of them nuisances by our practices and actions. Great post
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