Revenge of the Cards

[Terrierman]

It's a big deal regardless of who was involved and what was done (or not done) with any information that was gained illegally or even unethically.

[stlfisher]

Corporate (industrial) espionage:

1. (Commerce) attempting to obtain trade secrets by dishonest means, as by telephone- or computer-tapping, infiltration of a competitor's workforce, etc

This is literally exactly what they did. They hacked the computer program for the Astros that literally has all of their scouting info, injury reports, and probably anything else the team was using.

Of course there is going to be a low level employee who takes the fall, and they will say it didn't reach the top but how much of what they did for their job was possibly predicated by what they were obtaining from the data they were viewing.

There was a document posted last June, so they have obviously been doing this for a while.

IMO spy gate, or deflating footballs isn't even in the same realm as this. This is worse for the integrity of baseball than ANYTHING that has happened in recent memory.

What you are talking about is on far greater scale than has been reported. Are you mad at Jeff Lunhow for stealing information from the Cardinals when he left? Why doesn't that bother you? This is believed to be about revenge not data...

And According to legal experts this may not even be a crime at all....Corporate Espionage...lmao.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13093177/lester-munson

Now if it goes higher up or is systemic then that is different story and they should do jail time, but that is not really what is being reported.

[BATCAB27]

It's a big deal regardless of who was involved and what was done (or not done) with any information that was gained illegally or even unethically.

It is a big deal to some extent, but I doubt much will be done. The bigger deal I think is now the FBI is going thru ALL their stuff, no telling what they might find.

[Norm M]

if the Cards thought he took their property improperly when he left, they should have filed a civil lawsuit. Hacking to attempt to prove it or for revenge moves it to a criminal level. once in and not stopping at the " intended purpose" but going on to take Astro's property escalates the matter seriously.

The Cards could be sued by players for violating their privacy if they took medical records. There are both state and federal statutes that apply to both criminal prosecution and the possibility of civil lawsuits against the Cards from the Feds and the Astros.

If it went beyond just a few guys at the Cards being idiots and hacking to more in the organization , look out.

Another question is how will MLB respond ?

[ness]

I'm lumping this story with the two thirds of media hype that means nothing and deserves to be ignored.

Anything that paints the Cards in a bad light scoots right through my media BS filters though.

[Mitch f]

I love the term "hacked" that's being used. Makes it sound like a bunch of Russian spies. They were afraid their former employee left with intellectual property and found a few passwords and tried a few until they found the right one.

[Quillback]

Right now, I see it as an employee or two getting into the Astros database. Cards upper level management is denying any involvement (through an attorney). If this is the case, I doubt that MLB will punish the Cards organization.

[Terrierman]

I still say heads need to roll sooner rather than later to show the organization doesn't condone the actions and won't put up with those kind of shenanigans. Or maybe the organization really does condone what was going on and nobody will lose their job and maybe get a stern talking to about getting caught and next time be more careful. I really see it as one way or the other for the Cardinals organization.

[Smalls21]

I think MLB needs to make an example out of the cardinals organization, now whether they will or not remains to be seen

[Norm M]

I love the term "hacked" that's being used. Makes it sound like a bunch of Russian spies. They were afraid their former employee left with intellectual property and found a few passwords and tried a few until they found the right one.

That is still hacking . If he took intellectual property a civil lawsuit is the proper way to handle it . They are idiots because even if they found he did steal their property in would be inadmissible as it was obtained illegally.. That would have sunk any legal case the Cards had. Upper management should fire those involved for that alone .