MOPanfisher Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 The article clearly states that he chased after the suspects and yelled at them in the parking lot. The threat to himself and others in the store was OVER. I fully and completely support concealed carry, but the legal ability to carry and the wisdom of when to use are two completely different things. Had I been walking into the store from the parking lot and the "good citizen" ran out of the store to stop them and a gunfight ensued, I might not have been overly upset assuming my hiding under a parked car worked and kept me from getting shot. If I had my family or any part there of with me I would have been pissed, because he put more than himself in harms way to stop a property theft. Unless he somehow felt they were going to come back in and shoot someone he was an idiot.
Old plug Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 One of the things many instructors will tell you is if you need to use that gun be sure you kill the person. What would bother me is he did bot do that. He did get his name in the paper. Now all h has to worry about is reprisal.
fishinwrench Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Interesting. What % of CC holders have experienced a negligent discharge? How many of those have resulted in injury? Since I can not readily find this information on the news where are you getting your numbers from? Well I know of 4 for sure (possibly 6) in my little corner of the nation....and only one of them was "kinda" mentioned via the media. So I am left to assume that it has happened QUITE A BIT. To doubt that is ridiculous, don't you agree ?
Old plug Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 We Lost a member of the Elks this year Wrench. He dropped his pistol getting out of the truck and it discharged and killed him. Is that one your counting in there.
MOPanfisher Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Being a Hunter Safety Instructor, firearms accidents/incidents/ND etc. interest me. Any story behind how it happened. Type of pistol ? Modern ones shouldn't do that, however stranger things have happened, or it may have been an older single action revolver.
fishinwrench Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 We Lost a member of the Elks this year Wrench. He dropped his pistol getting out of the truck and it discharged and killed him. Is that one your counting in there. Nope, but there's another one !
Al Agnew Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I've been around guns all my life, but I do not consider myself trained well enough to be fairly certain of being able to use a handgun effectively in a life or death situation in a public place. Nor do I consider myself trained well enough to ALWAYS, without fail, carry one around with perfect safety. When you have a loaded weapon on you but not specifically in your hands all the time, there's always the chance of accidents. I darned sure don't want to be in a situation where you've got two opposing armed parties getting ready to shoot at each other, because there's a pretty good chance that one or the other or both are not going to be making good decisions at that point. In my opinion, and it's a strong one, the gun should never be drawn unless that's the only option left for saving your life or the lives of other innocent people. One lone man with a gun standing off with armed criminals in a store is a recipe for somebody besides the bad guys getting shot, and I wouldn't want to be the somebody. It's a judgment call at best...can you judge whether, if left alone, the criminals are still going to shoot somebody right then and there? In most cases they aren't, they're just wanting to get the goods and get the heck out. And as others have said, property, even property like guns, is not worth human lives.
MOBass Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 The fantasy is the very low probability of YOU ever finding yourself in this scenario, and actually being able to do something about it in such a heroic fashion, and without any legal ramifications as others have noted, and without shooting yourself in the foot, or a bystander, or misunderstanding a situation completely and making a bad situation worse. YOU, there with your trusty sidearm and your fearless bravado saving the day, just like Batman. Thats the fantasy. I wonder how many concealed carry doofuses know how to do CPR? A skill that doesn't require a permit, no risk of carrying it, and far more commonly needed in order to "save the day" . . . . This exact situation did occur, an armed citizen drew their firearm, he did not shoot himself in the foot, or a bystander, the violent felons dropped some of there goods prior to escaping, the police did not arrive to make arrest, and had to investigate and make arrest later that evening. Can we agree on those facts? The situation to me is pretty clear...Three armed, masked men enter a store, brandish firearms, demand money, and firearms. Is there any disagreement on this? Let me state this again for those that are confused. I am not playing out some fantasy scenario. I am commenting on the article and the actions of those involved. For those that believe the armed citizen in this situation was doing something wrong feel differently if it was a uniformed police officer and the situation occurred in exactly the same manner?
MOBass Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Well when I was a young buck. I was sitting at a bar in a wild Honky Tonk. His guy ask this fellas sister to dance. The brother said no is what the report said. Well he was leaving the table and the brother jumped up and walked up to him and blew his head apart about 10 ft from my back. About 1/2 of us sitting there at the bar had bone, skin and brain fragments all over us. Not a nice thing to experience. Yet I think secretly some of tou would like to have aexcuse to do something like that. Please specify who you believe would desire to commit a cold blooded murder and how you arrive at that conclusion for those individuals.
MOBass Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I've been around guns all my life, but I do not consider myself trained well enough to be fairly certain of being able to use a handgun effectively in a life or death situation in a public place. Nor do I consider myself trained well enough to ALWAYS, without fail, carry one around with perfect safety. When you have a loaded weapon on you but not specifically in your hands all the time, there's always the chance of accidents. I darned sure don't want to be in a situation where you've got two opposing armed parties getting ready to shoot at each other, because there's a pretty good chance that one or the other or both are not going to be making good decisions at that point. In my opinion, and it's a strong one, the gun should never be drawn unless that's the only option left for saving your life or the lives of other innocent people. One lone man with a gun standing off with armed criminals in a store is a recipe for somebody besides the bad guys getting shot, and I wouldn't want to be the somebody. It's a judgment call at best...can you judge whether, if left alone, the criminals are still going to shoot somebody right then and there? In most cases they aren't, they're just wanting to get the goods and get the heck out. And as others have said, property, even property like guns, is not worth human lives. If the armed person involved in this situation was a uniformed police officer would you feel differently? What is your threshold for the use of deadly force?
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