Old plug Posted December 6, 2015 Posted December 6, 2015 On December 3, 2015 at 7:15:51 PM, Seth said: I doubt we are fishing nearly as deep in the rivers as you are in the lake. The deepest hole I fish during the winter is 15' deep. The football head is just handy because it keeps the hook point riding up and is nice when you're slowly dragging across the bottom. SETH---- You would about have to just about drag wrench into water over 6-8 ft anytime of the year. In this lake.
dtrs5kprs Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 On 12/3/2015, 2:05:17, fishinwrench said: I gotta ask..... At what weight does it not matter whether the head is football shaped or not ? The way I see it anything below 1/2oz. probably fails to produce the desired effect. I'm on the fence at 3/8. 1/4oz. and lighter heads could be round, square, or shaped like a pickle, I'm not convinced that it matters. We are in the same book, if not on exactly the same page. A big (3/8 and up) FB head hangs up less in rock because it spans the gaps and crevices between rocks. In the lighter weights they don't have the width for that. Seems like a light FB jig hangs up about as much as a light ball jig. There are some other advantages to a football head even in lighter weights, due to the way it falls, rests on bottom, and the ability it gives you to "roll" it in place (there was a good article on that many, many years back in infisherman).
Mitch f Posted December 7, 2015 Author Posted December 7, 2015 Yea, I think the trailer size and weight can easily over power any small jig, rendering the shape of the head a moot point. But if you tie a small amount of hair and a tiny trailer, the shape still matters. To add to what Dave said, I've heard people say a bass will really pop a football jig harder because you can gently pull up the slack in the line and the bait will pivot up because of the shape, making the trailer raise its claws in a defensive position. dtrs5kprs 1 "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
Old plug Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 DTRS5kprs-----I think the standard football jig would catch more in the current on rocks. Mitch's jigs have a different angle on them that I believe might be of aid in preventing that. I have not fished rivers in years. I only used ball headed back in the day. mOtch can explain it better than I ever could. Tell me do you live in that area of Kansas close to Okla that has been shaking. I have been following that closely. They seem to be getting stronger and more frequent. I seen a article where some expert in that stuff said they could expect quakes of 6 or better. They keep it up and they are going to crack or bust one of those reservoir damns down there.
dtrs5kprs Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 6 minutes ago, Old plug said: DTRS5kprs-----I think the standard football jig would catch more in the current on rocks. Mitch's jigs have a different angle on them that I believe might be of aid in preventing that. I have not fished rivers in years. I only used ball headed back in the day. mOtch can explain it better than I ever could. Tell me do you live in that area of Kansas close to Okla that has been shaking. I have been following that closely. They seem to be getting stronger and more frequent. I seen a article where some expert in that stuff said they could expect quakes of 6 or better. They keep it up and they are going to crack or bust one of those reservoir damns down there. No , we are just north of KC, about 15 minute from the NASCAR track. Those quakes are a worry though, and I've had the same thoughts on the dams. Maybe not the big ones like TR, but failure at some of the smaller corps and state lakes would be bad enough. There are a lot of subtle features that change jig performance for certain. I used to flip wood and grass with a pointed head jig made in Clinton, MO (First Out Jig). It was great at getting in and out of multidirectional wood. Same jig was nearly useless on a riprap or chunk rock bank. It would nose into the crevices and wedge there. Mitch...that is the idea. It definitely works on big FB jigs (a hand poured, salt free, or elaztech trailer helps). You can make the tails flap in their faces with some practice, without moving the jig much. Question of balance and the physics of the pivot point.
Mitch f Posted December 7, 2015 Author Posted December 7, 2015 17 minutes ago, dtrs5kprs said: Mitch...that is the idea. It definitely works on big FB jigs (a hand poured, salt free, or elaztech trailer helps). You can make the tails flap in their faces with some practice, without moving the jig much. Question of balance and the physics of the pivot point. It's one of the reasons I left a flat in the front middle of the jig. So I could still do that. But I added some angles to help it get thru the rocks better.....it's no Bo's jig but it works good with my craw. That what I designed it for anyway. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
msamatt Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Mitch: Writing as someone who has seen your basement lab, you are the Missouri smallmouth mad scientist/engineer!! You and Steve W. are truly never content with what the market has to offer. Mitch f 1 Matt Wier http://missourismallmouthalliance.blogspot.com The Missouri Smallmouth Alliance: Recreation, Education, and Conservation since 1992
MOsmallies Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Tried my hand at a float and fly type jig tonight.... Ham, fishinwrench and Flysmallie 3
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