Winter fishing

[justfishing]

I will do Walcrabass. 

[waterpossum]

I have had bad expierence with fluorocarbon in the past and just don't have much confidence in it's durability. my first encounter was on Grand Lake a few years ago after breaking off a couple of fish on a stick bait. I realized at the time if you have any wear in your guides it will fray this type of line terribly. I have been too stubborn to change as I guess the quality has improved over the years, but my fishing partner LAST year chunked his rod to the bottom of the boat after breaking on hook sets with this stuff. I use low vis 8 or 10 pound mono with my stick baits. What is the over whelming argument for this line. Someone convince me???

[austin14]

Do you guys like your jerkbaits to suspend with the nose down or tail down/sink or slow float?

[fishinwrench]

32 minutes ago, austin14 said:

Do you guys like your jerkbaits to suspend with the nose down or tail down/sink or slow float?

Slightly nose down in the kitchen sink will result in a fairly horizontal position with line tied on and casted out a ways (don't pay any attention to all the talk about how fluorocarbon makes it sink better, that's baloney).   

I've never seen a truly good jerkbait bite before the solstice.  The lengthening days are what I believe mark the beginning of it, and when you start noticing sick/dying shad then it SHOULD be at (or near) it's peak.

[waterpossum]

2 hours ago, waterpossum said:

I have had bad expierence with fluorocarbon in the past and just don't have much confidence in it's durability. my first encounter was on Grand Lake a few years ago after breaking off a couple of fish on a stick bait. I realized at the time if you have any wear in your guides it will fray this type of line terribly. I have been too stubborn to change as I guess the quality has improved over the years, but my fishing partner LAST year chunked his rod to the bottom of the boat after breaking on hook sets with this stuff. I use low vis 8 or 10 pound mono with my stick baits. What is the over whelming argument for this line. Someone convince me???

I guess with a little research after posting this I may have helped answer my own question regarding fluorocarbon. As I understand there are different qualities of fluorocarbon and a common pitfall is buying line that is just coated with fluorocarbon which is very vulnerable to excessively diminished strength when tying or nicked. 

[Walcrabass]

Waterpossum,

  You are right about the FLuorocarbon thing. It was years before I would use it. Breaking, fraying, no knot strength etc. Now I am of a different opinion. Seguar, P-Line, and Bass Pro all seem to be pretty good. I get great knot strength on the Bass Pro. I tie the improved Cinch most times. Two times through the eye. I can tell you for sure that my slow presentation fishing ( Jigs, worms, even some top water,) have improved greatly with using it. I know.... not supposed to use it on top water.... but I do..... makes a different slop, pop, and sub surface retrieve.

Fishinwrench,

  I am in disagreement on the FLuorocarbon being able to make a Jerk Bait sink a little. I use 14 pound Fluoro on them and I can definitely say it will make them go down. Actually gotta watch it or they will sink farther than a guy wants.

 

Wally

[fishinwrench]

What kind (brand) of fluro are you using?  Because I actually have a use for one that will actually pull a bait down.  I want some of it for fluke and wacky worm fishing.

In order to pull the bait down the line would actually have to belly down below the bait.  Do we agree there?   And you have line that will do that with a jerkbait?    I gotta have some !

I have 100% flourocarbon line that won't even sink a size #16 dry fly.

[Smalls21]

2 hours ago, Walcrabass said:

 

    Bass Pro all seem to be pretty good. I get great knot strength on the Bass Pro.

it's a good thing you posted this on the Stockton Forum, if it was on the Table Rock Forum, you would be considered an out-kast, among other things I'm sure

[Mitch f]

4 hours ago, waterpossum said:

I guess with a little research after posting this I may have helped answer my own question regarding fluorocarbon. As I understand there are different qualities of fluorocarbon and a common pitfall is buying line that is just coated with fluorocarbon which is very vulnerable to excessively diminished strength when tying or nicked. 

Go with a hybrid line like Yozuri, it's got a different  extrusion process. Really strong

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2 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

What kind (brand) of fluro are you using?  Because I actually have a use for one that will actually pull a bait down.  I want some of it for fluke and wacky worm fishing.

In order to pull the bait down the line would actually have to belly down below the bait.  Do we agree there?   And you have line that will do that with a jerkbait?    I gotta have some !

I have 100% flourocarbon line that won't even sink a size #16 dry fly.

I agree with Wrench.

I've never had flouro pull anything down.

I use Rio Floro Flex Plus for fly fishing and Berkely Vanish for bass fishing.

I've never had trouble with knot strength either.

Pete