Crazy Flood Stories.... Danna's and Car Lot

[Hawkfarm]

Phil.  Did they, or will they, reduce the flow to assist in trying to find the 3rd person that drowned from the car swept into Fall Creek?

[Phil Lilley]

No they didn't and I'm sure won't for that reason.  Under different conditions, they would shut generation down if there's someone in the water in trouble -- they've done that several times, as long as they're advised of the incident.  But when they're releasing water in this manner, and seeing this is a recovery and not a search and rescue, they have not in the past.  I'm not sure at this point if it wouldn't help much.  The lake level at Cooper Creek down would only drop a couple-three feet at the most if they stopped releasing water.

It was Cooper Creek, not Fall Creek they were lost in.  There's a lot of confusion going around in the media.

I looked this morning from Cooper down to Monkey Island along the cliff bank.  There's a lot of wood/trees in the water that could catch things.  I saw 4 dead spoonbill.

[Gatorjet]

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Isn't well past the time when public officials need to put as much effort into educating and warning drivers to not drive through water to the same level they warn the public of tornadoes? 

Heavy rain, blind curve, and hill on an unfamiliar road. No indication of a low water crossing because there isn't one there. Those poor people had no idea that the road had that much water coming across it.

As for Valley Park, Eureka, and Pacific, a public referendum vote in 1978 to end the Meramec basin project sealed their fate as permanent potential flood victims. The flood levee at Valley Park also increased the magnitude of the flooding for other areas.

 

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10 minutes ago, Gatorjet said:

As for Valley Park, Eureka, and Pacific, a public referendum vote in 1978 to end the Meramec basin project sealed their fate as permanent potential flood victims. The flood levee at Valley Park also increased the magnitude of the flooding for other areas

Why wouldn't they move?  And if they don't should tax payers pay for the cost of these floods?

[cnr]

10 minutes ago, Gatorjet said:

 The flood levee at Valley Park also increased the magnitude of the flooding for other areas.

 

Yep.  Levees don't solve flooding. They just make it someone else's problem.  I'm of the opinion to remove them all and let the flood plain be what it is supposed to be. Start using the funding that was allocated for levees to relocate and/or buy out flood victims. Use flood plains for limited use that can handle occasional flooding. Park land, bike paths, etc. Yes, it would be a difficult and slow process but maybe in a 100 years things would be in a better state.  Eventually flooding would be a natural curiosity, not catastrophe.

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Let em stay as far as I'm concerned.  But don't get on TV crying for help and money when it floods.

[cnr]

6 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Let em stay as far as I'm concerned.  But don't get on TV crying for help and money when it floods.

True enough. If you live in a know flood area that repeatedly floods then the cost is on you as the risk taker. Oh, and don't even get me going about Chesterfield Valley. That's a future disaster in the making.  

[Greasy B]

It's important to remember that the flood plain is the river, water only occupies that portion of the channel occasionally. Do you remember when we used to hear about all the flooding damage in Arnold? After years of self inflicted damage the club house communities were bought out. Shouldn't this be the model for addressing self inflicted flood damage? 

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1515-20490-2529/mo_buyoutreport.pdf

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St Charles County did that years ago too. 

[Gatorjet]

13 hours ago, cnr said:

True enough. If you live in a know flood area that repeatedly floods then the cost is on you as the risk taker. Oh, and don't even get me going about Chesterfield Valley. That's a future disaster in the making.  

But, when you live, or build a business in an area such as parts of Eureka, Pacific, and Valley Park along, and South of I-44 that has never flooded until the geniuses with the CoE built levees to protect other  areas what are you supposed to do. Especially when you were there long before the levee was built.