Fly only questions

[tjm]

So, squirmy worms- are they flies in Mo. or soft plastic? I've not seen one but the description sounds like it fits both definitions.

Dropper flies in fly only waters and the parks, many years ago the Barry county Agent told me that droppers were banned under the "single point" rule, yet several times at RRSP I have encountered fellows happily fishing two flies, has the rule changed, or are these fellows violators, or was the Game Warden wrong?

[fishinwrench]

If permanently attached to the hook they should be no different than rubber legs.  They cannot be scented.

Dropper flys are legal.  Each individual fly can only have ONE HOOK.

[tjm]

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B.  Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs, and soft plastic lures.

Doesn't say that a synthetic unscented worm can be legal if permanently  attached, if you are correct then super glue could be in demand.  After reading about the squirmies,  I did play with one of those balls and the "worms" on them are soft enough and stretch enough to get a fish to hit multiple times.  No wonder the Euros wanted them disqualified in competition.  I never really thought about why the unscented soft plastic was prohibited, just fished fur and feathers and never thought beyond that.

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(D) Fly—An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or (B) above, that is tied, glued, or otherwise permanently attached

This seems to prohibit squirmies.

[snagged in outlet 3]

I thought squirmy's were illegal in fly water.

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I thought squirmy's were illegal in fly water.

<heavy-sigh> 

Are you familiar with D-rib?

What about Scud-back?

Larvae Lace?

All are "legal" fly tying materials.

Can you thread soft plastic, salt or scent impregnated worm/crawdad/helgrammite on a jighead?    No.

Can you tie a piece of rubber band to a jighead or hook?   Yes.

No need to get overly technical about it.  

[snagged in outlet 3]

Heavy grin.

yes

yes

yes

You answered the other two.

[tjm]

So sweet when you sigh and get that look...

I don't think any of those materials fit the description of "synthetic worm".  I've never used any of them, so only familiar by name in some catalog some place some time,  are they soft and stretchy? I had the notion the drib and larva lace were imitation Swannundaze, at least I've seen them compared/classed together.  I'm not sure I ever read a description of scud back, just saw it referenced as a material. I'll try some of these things out some day, likely when I run out of muskrats, possums and chickens.  oh. and Swiss Straw for the scuds.

I'm not disagreeing, exactly, but technicalities is exactly what makes fines roll in. 

[fishinwrench]

You definitely don't want to take legal advice from ME,  I'm still wearing felt. 😊

[tjm]

I read studies about three years ago that said the felt deal was bogus, the researcher that wrote the article that got got all the regulations passed did something wrong or didn't have a big enough sample to make his stuff valid or something like that. My thoughts on the start was if felt transfers didymo  then socks and canvas shoes must also, but MDC said only felt could do it, so only felt was a problem.

[Flysmallie]

10 minutes ago, tjm said:

MDC said only felt could do it, so only felt was a problem.

MDC aren't the only ones that were wrong on this. But they should correct it.