Took a drive

[tjm]

Does MDC own that hatchery or is it DNR owned? Does MDC or DNR own the park itself and all the infrastructure?

[fishinwrench]

57 minutes ago, tjm said:

Does MDC own that hatchery or is it DNR owned? Does MDC or DNR own the park itself and all the infrastructure?

It's somewhat of a joint thing, I believe.  

Mostly it is MDC employees running around, but DNR vehicles and folks from DNR are seen visiting frequently too.   

The campground and trails seem to be more DNR concerns, but the hatchery, park store, and visitor center seems to be all MDC.     It was MDC who contracted with Jim Rogers, with no mention whatsoever of DNR.     And I haven't noticed any DNR folk milling around the construction they are doing currently.  

I have noticed that DNR trucks are strictly utility models with base model wheels, bench seats, ect. ....unlike the MDC vehicles which are all high-end, spare no options.  

[fishinwrench]

In my dealings around here the DNR have always been on top of things, and do what you'd expect them to do.    I wish the DNR would take over 2/3 of the crap that MDC has taken under their wing.

Even though the MDC was the one pretending to be all concerned about the destruction of our local creek, it was DNR that actually showed up, stepped in, investigated and rectified the issues.  It only took one 5 minute phone call.  

[tjm]

21 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

   It was MDC who contracted with Jim Rogers, with no mention whatsoever of DNR.   

That is a surprise, I haven't found anything in MDC organization that mentions 'concession' and DNR does have 'concessions' at other parks.

[fishinwrench]

4 minutes ago, tjm said:

That is a surprise, I haven't found anything in MDC organization that mentions 'concession' and DNR does have 'concessions' at other parks.

Look up "MDC partners annual report".   

It's in there somewhere.   

[tjm]

 MDC doesn't own the creek, just the wildlife; DNR has full control of water quality, sewage and mining of gravel, so if they stepped in they just did their jobs,

[fishinwrench]

1 minute ago, tjm said:

 MDC doesn't own the creek, just the wildlife; DNR has full control of water quality, sewage and mining of gravel, so if they stepped in they just did their jobs,

So you're telling me that MDC and their Stream Teams are doing the DNR's job then ?    

[tjm]

I don't know anything about stream teams, or what they do. If they are aimed at habitat that would fall under MDC, and if they are aimed at water quality that would be DNR, as I understand it. There would be areas  of overlap, of course, for example fish are MDC's concern and water quality can affect them so monitoring water quality as it relates to wildlife would be an MDC concern. But DNR has regulatory and enforcement over water quality as it relates to pollution and "clean water" laws.

[jdmidwest]

Bennett Spring hatchery system would be the MDC, the Park and grounds would be the DNR.  Concessions at the lodge and rentals would be private concessionaires by a bid process and contract awarded.  Camping is DNR.  Fishing regulations enforced by the MDC, traffic and park rules would be the DNR.  Its a tangled government weave to confuse all.

 

[tjm]

32 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

Bennett Spring hatchery system would be the MDC, the Park and grounds would be the DNR.  Concessions at the lodge and rentals would be private concessionaires by a bid process and contract awarded.  Camping is DNR.  Fishing regulations enforced by the MDC, traffic and park rules would be the DNR.  Its a tangled government weave to confuse all.

 

My question was more about ownership of the real estate and infrastructure. I think I know what falls to each department as far as administration goes. And of course there is overlap and cooperation in those areas. The concessions I  may be  not clear on. I thought store and lodge were DNR owned and managed through contract concessionaires. Wrench tells me that MDC  has the store. so. idk  I think ownership is important when we start the blame for the Park's condition. I suspect there are situations in which neither Dept has clear responsibility. And I suspect some of the employees don't know which is who. I know that at RRSP park employees have given me misinformation numerous times.