Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

[luckycraft]

2 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

 Definitely test it if you want. Mine from opening weekend of firearms season was tested. Since it was in a CWD management zone it's was required. Barton county below me has had positive deer. I am not really close to where it's showing up. Mine came back negative. Have you seen how they test for it? Cut the throat and go way in and take a sample. I did not pay too much attention because a person was having me put on map where in the county it was taken. Contact info conservation number, phone number etc. I got a number and could check results after a period of time. Cannot remember how long that was. 

  Do you know what the voluntary process is for just checking? No way Man I was gigging you about checking especially if there are positives in your hunting area. If it shows up close I would test for sure. I have a friend who lives in hickory county and there has been positives in his county. Sharpshooters if you want to call them that right next to his house dumping corn piles. Those guys do nothing but kill, kill,kill. They are all supposed to be tested. The meat is not consumed but wasted. Three or four years in a row now. He now dislikes the MDC. He doesn't see the deer like he used to. I'm really not sure what the answer is to beating or staying ahead of this thing. 

I don’t think there is one.   Nature will take its course!

[luckycraft]

2 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

 Definitely test it if you want. Mine from opening weekend of firearms season was tested. Since it was in a CWD management zone it's was required. Barton county below me has had positive deer. I am not really close to where it's showing up. Mine came back negative. Have you seen how they test for it? Cut the throat and go way in and take a sample. I did not pay too much attention because a person was having me put on map where in the county it was taken. Contact info conservation number, phone number etc. I got a number and could check results after a period of time. Cannot remember how long that was. 

  Do you know what the voluntary process is for just checking? No way Man I was gigging you about checking especially if there are positives in your hunting area. If it shows up close I would test for sure. I have a friend who lives in hickory county and there has been positives in his county. Sharpshooters if you want to call them that right next to his house dumping corn piles. Those guys do nothing but kill, kill,kill. They are all supposed to be tested. The meat is not consumed but wasted. Three or four years in a row now. He now dislikes the MDC. He doesn't see the deer like he used to. I'm really not sure what the answer is to beating or staying ahead of this thing. 

I don’t think there is one.   Nature will take its course!

[luckycraft]

2 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

 Definitely test it if you want. Mine from opening weekend of firearms season was tested. Since it was in a CWD management zone it's was required. Barton county below me has had positive deer. I am not really close to where it's showing up. Mine came back negative. Have you seen how they test for it? Cut the throat and go way in and take a sample. I did not pay too much attention because a person was having me put on map where in the county it was taken. Contact info conservation number, phone number etc. I got a number and could check results after a period of time. Cannot remember how long that was. 

  Do you know what the voluntary process is for just checking? No way Man I was gigging you about checking especially if there are positives in your hunting area. If it shows up close I would test for sure. I have a friend who lives in hickory county and there has been positives in his county. Sharpshooters if you want to call them that right next to his house dumping corn piles. Those guys do nothing but kill, kill,kill. They are all supposed to be tested. The meat is not consumed but wasted. Three or four years in a row now. He now dislikes the MDC. He doesn't see the deer like he used to. I'm really not sure what the answer is to beating or staying ahead of this thing. 

I don’t think there is one.   Nature will take its course!

[tjm]

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 Sustained heat for several hours at extremely high temperatures (900°F and above) will reliably destroy a prion.

There are also methods of soaking in lye for an hour or two (depending solution) and then heating to ~300F for an hour or more.

Not sure how testing is done now, but several years ago I was told they take a piece of spinal cord or brain stem.

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A negative test result does not guarantee that an individual animal is not infected with CWD,

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When field-dressing a deer:

    Wear latex or rubber gloves when dressing the animal or handling the meat.
    Minimize how much you handle the organs of the animal, particularly the brain or spinal cord tissues.
    Do not use household knives or other kitchen utensils for field dressing.

 

When you consider that body fluids are how the disease is transmitted within a herd, it might  make you leery of touching the head (snot, saliva) or disemboweling them. What about a head shot that scatters brain tissue or a shot through the spine? Or the common gut shot? 

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In 2005, about 200 people ate ‘zombie’ deer meat. Here’s what happened

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/02/21/zombie-deer-disease-what-happened-people-ate-cwd-meat/2926840002/

The follow up study-https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25225155/

[luckycraft]

2 hours ago, tjm said:

There are also methods of soaking in lye for an hour or two (depending solution) and then heating to ~300F for an hour or more.

Not sure how testing is done now, but several years ago I was told they take a piece of spinal cord or brain stem.

When you consider that body fluids are how the disease is transmitted within a herd, it might  make you leery of touching the head (snot, saliva) or disemboweling them. What about a head shot that scatters brain tissue or a shot through the spine? Or the common gut shot? 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/02/21/zombie-deer-disease-what-happened-people-ate-cwd-meat/2926840002/

The follow up study-https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25225155/

With all this posted.   Still no answers whether anyone would knowingly be willing to eat a positive.     And if that’s the case.   Why not test.

[BilletHead]

1 minute ago, luckycraft said:

With all this posted.   Still no answers whether anyone would knowingly be willing to eat a positive.     And if that’s the case.   Why not test.

            Do you process and eat your waterfowl? Are you concerned about bird flu crossing over to humans? 

[luckycraft]

8 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

            Do you process and eat your waterfowl? Are you concerned about bird flu crossing over to humans? 

Again flu compared to CJD.    I process and eat them.  Yes.    Still crickets in here fellas with questions answered with a directed question .   

[tjm]

30 minutes ago, luckycraft said:

With all this posted.   Still no answers whether anyone would knowingly be willing to eat a positive.     And if that’s the case.   Why not test.

The point that I have been trying to make is that the test makes no difference. There are likely as many false negatives as there are positives. I consider that all deer in an infected area are in fact infected.

There is absolutely no reason not to test, but I  do think there is any real reason to test other than the authorities tracking spread of the disease. 

I have not deliberately hunted in a diseased herd and probably won't.  I don't feel compelled to eat deer over any other meat to the extent that I care greatly. I have and will kill and eat deer more or less casually, there are dozens on our land, but I won't make any special effort to hunt in diseased area.

[luckycraft]

1 minute ago, tjm said:

The point that I have been trying to make is that the test makes no difference. There are likely as many false negatives as there are positives. I consider that all deer in an infected area are in fact infected.

There is absolutely no reason not to test, but I  do think there is any real reason to test other than the authorities tracking spread of the disease. 

I have not deliberately hunted in a diseased herd and probably won't.  I don't feel compelled to eat deer over any other meat to the extent that I care greatly. I have and will kill and eat deer more or less casually, but I won't make any special effort to hunt in diseased area.

But you wouldn’t swallow a bite of a confirmed positive!    That’s my point.        I get it people should still hunt and eat deer.   I’ll test before eating one.    If you don’t want to answer the question, I get that too.    

[fishinwrench]

Nobody wants to speculate on the core reason that we have diseased deer.  

When any animal becomes too heavily populated then that invites disease.   It isn't enough that deer are so heavily populated that automobiles are striking them daily all over the place.  Their dead rotting carcasses litter the roads everywhere.    Still you have MDC agents working overtime,  spending big bucks on fuel, and wearing out trucks investigating potential "poaching".    God forbid anyone kill a deer without the proper tag ! 🙄

All the while it is obvious that a BUNCH of these bastards need to be killed off.