Still legal to coat felt soles with rubber cement?

[Flyfisher for men]

A few years ago when Missouri banned porous soles over didymo, they were allowing one to put rubber cement on felt soles and the wading angler would be legal.

This page from the MDC doesn't mention rubber cement as ok: https://mdc.mo.gov/fishing/regulations/porous-soled-waders-ban

 

However, this MDC page has a video about treating porous soles with rubber cement, implying that it's acceptable:https://mdc.mo.gov/fishing/protect-missouri-fishing/dont-spread-didymo

Can anyone clarify? 

 

 

[BilletHead]

16 minutes ago, Flyfisher for men said:

A few years ago when Missouri banned porous soles over didymo, they were allowing one to put rubber cement on felt soles and the wading angler would be legal.

This page from the MDC doesn't mention rubber cement as ok: https://mdc.mo.gov/fishing/regulations/porous-soled-waders-ban

 

However, this MDC page has a video about treating porous soles with rubber cement, implying that it's acceptable:https://mdc.mo.gov/fishing/protect-missouri-fishing/dont-spread-didymo

Can anyone clarify? 

 

 

              Good question,

   Get ready you are opening a can of worms not only from the good members on the forum but links to studies more current than those from years ago when this was implemented. I have converted to rubber soles this meaning the newer ones that are much better than the previous versions. I would still feel safer in felt especially in the western states where granite boulders are polished round from hundreds of thousands of years of sand rolling over them.  Good luck on your answer. Where needed I now use a walking staff. this way I have a two-point contact with the bottom. Not a cure all for sure. 

[Flyfisher for men]

4 hours ago, BilletHead said:

              Good question,

   Get ready you are opening a can of worms not only from the good members on the forum but links to studies more current than those from years ago when this was implemented. I have converted to rubber soles this meaning the newer ones that are much better than the previous versions. I would still feel safer in felt especially in the western states where granite boulders are polished round from hundreds of thousands of years of sand rolling over them.  Good luck on your answer. Where needed I now use a walking staff. this way I have a two-point contact with the bottom. Not a cure all for sure. 

After what you said, I edited my title for the thread. I'm not wanting to start a didymo debate. The situation is that I'm likely to pass through Missouri on a  trip in a couple of months and am trying to decide if I need to  budget for a pair of wading boots.  I have a pair with felt soles. 

[tjm]

I have opinions about the didymo, but, as to the question, the thing to do is fill out this form and submit it to the "experts" at MDC

https://mdc.mo.gov/contact-us

Then report back and share the answer with us.

[Flyfisher for men]

7 hours ago, tjm said:

I have opinions about the didymo, but, as to the question, the thing to do is fill out this form and submit it to the "experts" at MDC

https://mdc.mo.gov/contact-us

Then report back and share the answer with us.

thanks for this. I made the inquiry.

[snagged in outlet 3]

16 hours ago, Flyfisher for men said:

The situation is that I'm likely to pass through Missouri on a  trip in a couple of months and am trying to decide if I need to  budget for a pair of wading boots

You do not.   Nobody checks nor do they care.  

[BilletHead]

             

8 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

You do not.   Nobody checks nor do they care.  

              Well maybe not,

Last paragraph on the first article about catch and release trout season. I would not want to give @Flyfisher for men and false information.

     In Brief | Missouri Department of Conservation

  Doing some research myself on this subject it looks like six states and Yellowstone National park have bans on felt and felt like soles. Another state Vermont not in the six lifted the ban after determining didymo is native to that state. 

 

[tjm]

The stuff is native all over the globe, found in fossils and core layer samples from eons before felt was invented; the initial report of the theory of boots spreading it refuted by the author himself after investigation. The states that banned felt did so based on Max Bothwell's initial speculation and never bothered to read his later work.

Since MDC abandoned or removed all the boot wash stations decades ago, it seems obvious that they only maintain the ban because they can't admit to being wrong. Not that it matters to me, I was never a felt fan, but I do think that if they claim to be scientists that they should use science.  When I asked years ago about all those micros getting into pants legs and porous shoe tops of wet waders and being transferred to other waters, the answer was something along the lines of "yeah that could happen, but we are only concerned with soles". So they were fine with me getting my muddy sneakers full of all those scary things and transferring them to any other water, in truth they didn't care about the spread, just the ban.

[BilletHead]

7 minutes ago, tjm said:

The stuff is native all over the globe, found in fossils and core layer samples from eons before felt was invented; the initial report of the theory of boots spreading it refuted by the author himself after investigation. The states that banned felt did so based on Max Bothwell's initial speculation and never bothered to read his later work.

Since MDC abandoned or removed all the boot wash stations decades ago, it seems obvious that they only maintain the ban because they can't admit to being wrong. Not that it matters to me, I was never a felt fan, but I do think that if they claim to be scientists that they should use science.  When I asked years ago about all those micros getting into pants legs and porous shoe tops of wet waders and being transferred to other waters, the answer was something along the lines of "yeah that could happen, but we are only concerned with soles". So they were fine with me getting my muddy sneakers full of all those scary things and transferring them to any other water, in truth they didn't care about the spread, just the ban.

                 Yes, I have read all that also. The only thing I know for sure is that the stuff is nasty and have been in it wading and fishing in the white in Arkansas. It's not like it stays in place. Every generation pattern it comes loose and dirties up the river and stays that way until it flushes out. I really would not like to see it in that form here in Missouri. If a little prevention can slow down that manifesting here, I am for it. I do also realize how much safer felt and felt like soles are.  Make your choice fellows it is yours to make. Myself I will adhere to the rules put in place where required and wade with caution in those places with rubber soled boots. 

[snagged in outlet 3]

1 hour ago, BilletHead said:

             

              Well maybe not,

Last paragraph on the first article about catch and release trout season. I would not want to give @Flyfisher for men and false information.

     In Brief | Missouri Department of Conservation

  Doing some research myself on this subject it looks like six states and Yellowstone National park have bans on felt and felt like soles. Another state Vermont not in the six lifted the ban after determining didymo is native to that state. 

 

Nobody checks in MO and the cleaning stations haven’t been maintained in years.   I wouldn’t bother with it.