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The MO Dept of Health offers the least expensive testing option, and you can take the sample yourself; http://health.mo.gov/lab/privatedrinkingwater.php Since you're testing your own well, you'll use the "unofficial" test form. You can find the location of your nearest office on the website. Pay them a visit on a Monday, and you'll get sample container(s) and directions for use. Follow the directions to the T, or the test will likely fail. Take the sample(s) back to the office by Tuesday PM, and it will get sent out to the lab promptly. You'll get the results in the mail a few days later. Added Don't get bummed if the test report says "negative", that's what you want... no coliforms.

Nice one. But any data taken out of context, even that as seemingly self-evident as your quote, leads to mistaken interpretations. Dave: How would you account for this discrepancy between you and the twin 9000? HAL: Well, I don’t think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error. Frank: Listen HAL. There has never been any instance at all of a computer error occurring in the 9000 series, has there? HAL: None whatsoever, Frank. The 9000 series has a perfect operational record. Frank: Well of course I know all the wonderful achievements of the 9000 series, but, uh, are you certain there has never been any case of even the most insignificant computer error? HAL: None whatsoever, Frank. Quite honestly, I wouldn’t worry myself about that. ...and as we all know, HAL was telling a fish story that he'd later pay the price for. :-)

After playing with Gapminder for a bit, it's apparent that the big news here is the ability of John Q Public to access and analyze really big data in a versatile, streamlined UI. The engine is the Trendalyzer software, originally developed by the Swedish Gapminder Foundation, then acquired by Google in '07. Google offers it's own public data platform using the Trendalyzer engine, called the Public Data Explorer; https://www.google.com/publicdata/directory Using the Gapminder version, you can plot any of the ~200 available indicators in the x axis against nearly any other indicator in the y axis. Then you can show the results in any or all countries and across the entire timespan of available records. Once you've made your selection you can put it all in motion to see relationships that normally lie buried in traditional displays of data. Want to know the historical comparisons of per capita water consumption in the US and Mexico between '65 and today? It's about a 7 click operation. Want to filter that by males or females? 2 more clicks. It brings to mind my favorite line from 2001 A Space Odyssey; "My God... it's full of stars".

By peer review. By following the footnotes to see how the data was produced. By using that same path to see who produced it, who paid for it, and their potential motivations for doing so. I'm certainly not claiming to have done that on this particular collection yet, but the sources are all available to pursue, unlike much of the other babble out there that offers nothing but emotion grabbing headlines with no trace to basis in fact. Anyone that's not willing to divulge their data sources is undeserving of attention beyond entertainment purposes. You're right that it takes a little time. Just like most anything else of value.

Hmmm... War on Litter... that's one we could actually win.

If you'd actually paid attention to any of the data presented Jerry, you'd have found support for your position there (see the "Don't Panic" video, it's easier to chew than the graphs). I spent a couple very interesting hours last night browsing the material and didn't even scratch the surface of what's offered there. It's not half as exciting as a collection of conspiracy theories, but statistics seldom are.

Wow. That's like saying the arsonist/murderer landlord who burned his rent house for the insurance money (with one of the tenants inside) was arrested for "maintaining his property". In the case you refer to (in Oregon, not Washington), the man was fined $1500 and sentenced to 30 days for his unpermitted construction of three resevoirs that dammed one of the feeder streams that serves, among others, a municipal water source downstream, a violation of state water laws in place since 1925. Gullible much?

Thanks!

Attaboy!

All of us that buy 'crawlers now & then know they've gone up, leading to thoughts of "maybe I should invest a few bucks in a worm farm" for some. Too late. The Wall Street Journal picked up on it, maybe we should have done it. The traders will tear it up for sure now. http://online.wsj.com/articles/big-fat-worm-shortage-causes-big-fat-fishing-woes-1405095609?google_editors_picks=true Lucky for me, the local weather has been better than normal for the worms in my yard.

I'm waiting for someone to suggest throwing a spook or a grab hook at the offender (never mind that he's just a cast away with a freakin' bow & arrow...)

You done good!

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I got run up on a mud bar one night on Bull years ago when I met a pair of gig boats running side by side with their gigging lights on, coming into the back of E Sugarloaf while I was coming out. From my position it looked like a freaking airplane landing with the pair of high intensity lights several feet above the water and 50 feet apart. To their credit, the folks in the gig boats helped me get off the mud and accompanied me back to the ramp. I never mentioned that their lights were what put me there.

In Missouri; All vessels shall display from sunset to sunrise the following lights when under way, and during such time no other lights, continuous spotlights or docking lights, or other nonprescribed lights shall be exhibited: (1) Vessels of classes A and 1: (a) A bright white light aft to show all around the horizon; (b A combined light in the forepart of the vessel and lower than the white light aft, showing green to starboard and red to port...

On Saturday, the 5th of July, that makes you a brave man indeed!

I like to add just enough floats to make the whole rig slowly rise on a pause. Saves a lot of rigs. If you add an extra bead and a stop knot or a tiny split shot in front of the blade, the blade stays put, and you can check bouyancy in the sink. I usually give my crawlers a shot of air, so its' weight won't sink the rig, but if you use those fake worms you should probably test it fully rigged.

Good comments guys. You're right RPS, the direction of approach is big for current fish. When you've got current at HI, you're above the plunge point though, so it's river tactics. Further down where the current runs below the surface is less intuitive. I've seen it as far down as your junkpile by point 3, and from there to big M is simply awesome when you hit it right. The only way I've been able to identify sub currents is with slip bobbers. Balance a 1/4+ oz bait on a 6" pencil float, and the bobber goes where the bait goes. The physos with a budget have GPS loaded devices that are nothing but a fancy float rig that auto-logs and transmits. I've observed that the strongest sub currents pretty well follow the river channel, and they even eddy where you'd think they would. Strongest is relative though, as you'll seldom see more than 20 feet per minute. The uplake side of any point, hump, or break that catches the current is usually where it's at.

I love fishing bobbers. Not those plastic clipons, but balanced and sensitive bait rigs. I drag 'em and drift 'em and let 'em sit still. Years ago I started noticing something funny on TR. At times, if I was anchored, the rigs set at 10-15' would sit still, but the ones at 25-30 would move downlake at a respectable clip. Only way that could happen is if there was a deep current slipping under still shallows. I played with it a lot, and if you found that spot, loosed your bobbers and let them drift to it... bingo. All kinds of fish. It was different depending on generation conditions at both ends and surface temps, but there was always an advantage over dead water if you could pin the spot. In summer, on riverine reservoirs like Beaver, the zone where the incoming surface water dives because it's colder and denser than the adjoining surface waters (plunge point) is generally way, way upriver. The newest ADEQ report has a lot to say about that; http://www.adeq.state.ar.us/water/branch_planning/pdfs/site-specific_water_quality_criteria_02-08-08.pdf In TR, the Kings and James work that way too, but the White arm is way different if they're moving water. The effects go much farther downlake and cause some surprisingly strong subsurface currents. Aside from the obvious thermal action, the other variables get thrown in the mix... oxygen, and you know... everything else; Try as I may, I can't get my head around all the variables. At least not enough to predict the spot much of the time. All I can say is there's something there, if you can find and exploit it.

I've chewed on that one for years myself bo. From observation and some time studying, I think it would pay to learn to identify and exploit what the physos call "plunge points" and density currents. By summer on river arms they go vanishingly far up the rivers, but a tailwater's a whole 'nother world. Here's a taste; http://www.hydrol-earth-syst-sci.net/15/3689/2011/hess-15-3689-2011.pdf Added Take some notes on your observed activity and compare them to generation graphs (from both ends).

I read this thread to my worms just now. They were all for it. All except the bathing part. The Vienna Snausages look bummed.

That's awesome! You found it, you figured it out, and you exploited it. Attaboy!

Those of you young and fortunate enough to have never run flashers actually missed out on a valuable training tool. You could see the arch clearly, a flicker at 18, rising to 17 and getting thicker, then falling to an 18' flicker again before dying. They've come a long way in displays, but I've never seen fish arches displayed as well as on an X16 paper graph. If the paper wasn't such a premium or pain I'd still be running mine.

Yeah, back when I got invited to fishing clubs to speak about sonar, I carried a visual aid. Saved a few words. I've read your sonar posts. Your heart's sure in the right place, and you get an E for enthusiasm, but I disagree with quite a few of your interpretations. Interpretations vary by nature and experience though, so it is what it is. Maybe you're right.

Save your money for fishing toys. Flux is a magnetic property and has effect on capacitors at all. 'Flux transformers' or 'flux inductors' would be more appropriate, but even then it would be like calling that thing on your arm a 'time watch'.