Wayne SW/MO

I would imagine quite a bit considering how high the Gasconade was at Hazelgreen. There's no clearing it and I've encounter trees blocking it in the past, so be careful.

Pushing it can be fatal on a high river. The problems is that it is not only a new river, it can have some serious obstructions. They can be easy to handle at normal levels, but dangerous in high fast water. Jumping on a high fast river is about akin to driving across a flooded low water for the first time.

My guess is they could care less.

I was always under the impression that the Corp controlled the flood gates. Given the fact they are responsible for the water all the way to the gulf it would make sense. I do know they are very conservative and don't want to lose control. Over the years I've noticed that if there is the slightest threat of flood pool getting anywhere near full they will dump as much as possible. I suppose, speculating, that the fact the Missouri and Osage aren't flooded and the watershed of Truman, which is huge, had a rain forecast for a week they decided to go all out? They did scale back from the forecast a little. Truman drains water from Springfield to near KC and into Kansas. I guess they were nervous.

I don't carry one tenth of the lures for river fishing that I do for lake fishing. For one thing river conditions are more predictable and then there the time factor. It's easy to stay in one spot and fish 20' deep on a lake then crank up the motor and head to the ramp. On a river float more often then not you have to monitor your time and that. for me, eliminates going through a lot of changing. I think most of us who have fished for smallies in the streams tend to fish a limited number of known high percentage producers.I've often been guilty of carrying too many cranks, but seldom guilty of throwing them all too much. For 3 or 4 will produce if they want cranks and I seem to catch fewer if I try to throw too many different lures.

I'm a Falcon man. You might consider something in the #3 action. I have one that is my favorite rod and has been for several years. It will handle lures in what I consider heavy for river smallies, but also the lighter ones needed at times to get the proper action in shallow water.

Same here. I do like a hurry up because over a game it will generally produce a first down or two or even a score when the opposing defense simply isn't ready. The down side is if the offense can't handle, but the Chiefs seemed up to the task. It's hard to critique Daniels because he wasn't in there with the first string. It was nice to see a QB in red who could consistently hit a receiver, especially without the receiver having to stop to catch the ball on a route.

I will try and remember to do that MOPanfisher. We come in late September every year since early this century. It's a cousins and theirs event at the group site with as many as 40 people some years. I hated to see Coombs go. It's isolation seemed to keep it quieter but full and the easy shallow bank access was nice for those with kids. I wonder how long Old 86 will last if it gets flooded again?

Welcome and don't forget, you don't learn much when the fishing is easy and it will never be above your head if you don't give up.

I thought the same thing. That was why I wondered why they would release as much as they did.

This should be an interesting game tonight, probably one of the most interesting preseason games since Bradford went to STL. I'm not sure how much insight we'll get into the coaching philosophy, but we're guaranteed to see a lot of a new QB. There aren't any draftees I'm really excited about at this time, but the QB's should provide enough.

Bending Branches or Carlisle's?

J-doc part of the attractiveness of goldfish is two fold, one is that they standout as bait and the second is the market is bigger for goldfish. If you don't buy them someone at Wal Mart might. They are carp. I saw a koi in TR that was at least 2# and 16-18". Outgrew its aquarium I guess.

That's very interesting and should be good information for people worried about closures. If that could be worked out it could go along way in a future where service has do be balanced by dollars. I would think if the liability could be covered it should of interest to those who fear they will lose facilities. I agree that camping is too labor intensive, but possibly a caretaker setup would or could be feasible and could use one site.

Could you give us an idea as to what all is involved and what the end product will have to be?

I think there is always some transient wood that moves around the lake. It gets washed in a eventually blown ashore. Then along comes a fast rise and it drifts out. Eventually when the lake gets exceptionally high it is left so high and dry that it stays ashore. Anytime the lake rises there is level of danger, especially from the sleepers hanging very low in the water.

Well the ponds on the north side of 13 at Truman should be restocked.

Unfortunately some rivers will suffer more from floods. The Niangua has continuously degraded with every flood following bank beautification project by people like Redbeard. He's no the only one, Hidden Valley across from 64 access clean all the brush and small trees away from the bank making it appear improved while it exposed tons of gravel to the rivers flow. A state DNR that was on the ball would protect the riparian, but I doubt that many in Missouri's DNR know what the term is, if they do they show no signs of giving a you know what.

I can remember when the COE facilities were a lot more primitive than they are today. I suppose what comes to my mind is that possibly there has been a mindset established in newer employees making decisions that today's standards are minimum. Moving some facilities back to provide bare minimum rather than closing them because the present level can't be maintained might not be a bad thing.

You can speculate and blame it on "big" business making money by buying a company and then selling the equipment, used equipment, and making money, but how does that work exactly? Wouldn't the stockholders in question just sell the equipment themselves if it was worth more than the business? 9 times out of 10 a business that is bought out is in distress and doesn't have the capital to save itself. After being bought the new owners sometimes can't revive them for what ever reasons. The bottom line is if a company is worth more piecemealed out than it is as a viable business, it stands to reason it's failure isn't the fault of the new owners. It's easier for me to see a decline in the demand for royalex than to see some sinister free market override.

Excellent. Scouting can be a great asset to young people.

Some of the old towns on the Missouri were built there because river traffic was necessary for the economy. Since that is no longer important a lot of them have gradually backed away from the river. Floods have always happened and they always will, fortunately it's detrimental to property and not life as a rule. It would be hard to blame the recent deaths on the magnitude of the flood because those types happen under conditions of even minor flooding.

I'm probably roughly 10 or 12 miles NE of you and we're right at 10"? I wonder if the lake has some influence? We rarely get as much rain as is reported in Branson.

I doubt there are many on here that remember the '51 flood, but it was a big one and while I was young I still remember mental snapshots of it. As bad as this or any flood is, tornadoes are still more deadly.

Water.