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I'm pretty lazy when it comes to sending out emails about advertising on this forum. I get around to it every 2 years. We have a few ads on the forum, mainly by people who frequent the lakes and rivers they're on. I thought I'd throw it out there and see if there's any new members who'd like to get their brand out. It's $100 per year per banner. You supply the image and url. No pressure... Thanks!
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I got a buddy that's been catching them but I think he's going up in the Neosho. Wish I could tell you where.
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Water levels below Powersite Dam
Phil Lilley replied to dgilchrist's topic in Powersite Dam Tailwater
Lots of water below Powersite... even at powerpool. And it's safe... just use common sense when navigating current. -
Yeah I think it levels the playing field too. We'll see some big weights Saturday.
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We’ve gone from a roar to a whimper... 15,000 cfs and flood gates to my app says 9,000 but looking at the flow out the window it looks like much less. Fishing should be very good with the lower flows. Going to be a fun weekend.
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2-17-20 New State Record yellow perch from Bull Shoals
Phil Lilley replied to mmirg's topic in Upper Bull Shoals
Man.... next time call me! We have official scales and I bet I could have rousted Shane to come weigh it. We weighed in a state record brown in '95 at the Consumer's Grocery Store... I think it was Elfrink's. They had the only state official scale. Now the hatchery has one - and we have one. I helped Vince Elfrink get his fish to the hatchery... can't remember the year. About 2008? We kept it alive. Gave it to Bass Pro and it lived in their tank for a while in Springfield. I love yellow perch... cool fish. -
Fishing the Blue ribbon area on the Eleven Point and the NFOW,
Phil Lilley replied to bkbying89's topic in Eleven Point River
I was wondering how the NFOW was doing since the blow-out. Thanks Al for the info. -
Pflueger Patriarch 25 vs Shimano Stradic Ci4+ 1000?
Phil Lilley replied to Seth's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
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Problem with the Videos section
Phil Lilley replied to moguy1973's topic in Messages for, and from, the Admin
http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/videos/ So some of you can't get to this page, right? Some can. Any other issues? -
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They said it was a database issue and wanted me to upgrade something... but that's not the problem. Going to take a little more research. -
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http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/videos/one-cast-21020-r113/ This did not. It's from the home page list of videos. -
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http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/videos/ When you go here? Works fine for me. -
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Updated 9/27/2020 ~~ The fall 2020 fishing season looks to be one of the best in many years. Why? Simply because we're seeing a lot of down water -- no generation. This opens up the whole upper end of the lake to wading and fly fishing. Compare this to years past when we've had to contend with high water and limited wading access to the lake. On top of great water conditions, we're seeing lots and lots of brown trout moving up close to the dam to go through their spawning moves. We're also seeing an early run of rainbows brushing out spawning beds. Add to all of it the fact that our trout fishery is in the best shape it's been in since the 70's. Big rainbows and brown abound, not just in the trophy area but throughout the lake. ~~~~~~~~ Lake Taneycomo is a tailwater fishery. When Table Rock Dam is not generating, the water below the dam is stable and easy to read. I will, in this article, describe each area and how to fish for trout with a fly rod. I going to assume you are wading. The water below the dam isn’t very deep. In most areas, the water won’t be over your waders. There aren’t any holes or drop offs except directly around the boulders placed by the Missouri Department of Conservation for fish habitat. The deepest water is up close to the cable, marking the boundary line in which not to fish above. The water up close to the cable is deeper and wading is difficult. Most of the bottom of the lake is gravel but there is larger chunk rock as well as bed rock. There’s steady, slow current from the cable down to the Rebar Hole. Moving down close to the top of Rebar, the water does pick up speed. **Rebar was named for pieces of rebar sticking up out of the gravel, left by workers who constructed the dam back in the late 50's. But the flow of water has changed over the past couple of years (2019-2020). Instead of forming a chute and crossing over to the south side of the lake, it basically runs through a wide chute almost down the middle of the lake. There's no real deep spots to hold big fish... but the run does deepen eventually, and that's where you'll find big bruisers cruising around. The lake opens up below Rebar to a big pool we call Big Hole. What used to be a deep hole has filled in with gravel over the years but is still 4-5 feet deep. The water, again, moves slowly down to the Rocking Chair area. The Rocking Chair is marked by an access from the south side of the lake, where a person could walk down from a parking area to the lake and sit a rocking chair on the level bank there. Here you’ll find more chunk and bed rock bottom. Just before you get to the MDC boat ramp access (north side of the lake), the lake gets deeper and narrower, hugging the north bank. Some of the bottom is gravel as well as clay with a big gravel bar on the south side. At the bottom of this stretch, the lake again changes sides creating a long chute with a gravel bottom. This chute is much longer and wider than Rebar, emptying into a stretch called Trophy Run. Trophy Run is a development on the south side of the lake marked by a community building. The lake is very deep here, more than 8 feet in spots, and is not really wadeable. At the bottom of this run is Lookout Island. At Lookout, and lake becomes very shallow again but wide. There’s some current here but I wouldn’t call it a chute at all. At the island, the water starts to deepen, dumping into Lookout Hole. The bottom is all gravel through the shallow areas but turns into bed rock below the island. Flies Emergers: Soft Hackles, Cracklebacks, RS2, WD40, Parachute Midge — any fly they settles just below the surface. Soft hackle color and styles: Bodies can be thread with wire wrap, red, black, green, yellow, orange. Wire wrap only with copper, gold or silver. Flash or another type of mylar material, pearl, pearl red or pearl green. Sizes range from #14 to #20. I usually stay with #16’s and #18’s. Cracklebacks are tied with furnace hackle with various colors bodies. Peacock herl is the preferred material in natural green, yellow, orange and red. Size is usually a #14. RS2, Parachute Midge & WD40 – olive, cream and natural brown. Size #18 - #22. Dries: Blue Olive Dun, black ant, beetle, Adams, Humpy, Elk Hair Caddis, Royal Wolfe, hoppers, Griffin’s Gnat, Stimulator and cidada. Sizes #8’s and #22’s. Mice are fished mainly at night, skipped across the surface below the dam and down through most of the Trophy Area. Wet Flies: Scuds, Prince Nymph, Pheasant Tail, Squirrel Tail, sow bugs, various emerger patterns, San Juan Worm, Mega Worm, Miracle Fly, egg patterns and small bead head nymphs. Sizes vary from #14’s to #22’s. Scuds, or freshwater shrimp, are tied with many types of dubbing material — rabbit, squirrel, mink, possum, kangaroo, dog or cat, synthetics like rayon, and combinations of all of the above. They’re tied on either a TMC #2487, #2457, #3769, #3761 or a #200R hook, depending on your preference. They can be weighted or not. Some are tied with a shell back. Scuds in the natural can be varied shades of gray, olive, tan or brown. When they die they turn orange. They can be fished in sizes ranging from #12 to #24 but the average size is #14 to #20. Streamers: Woolies, Wooly Buggers, Sculpins, Pine Squirrel, PMS, Hibernator, Mo Hair Leach. Woolies and Buggers run from #10’s to #16’s in white, olive, purple, black, brown and pink. Sculpins usually are fished in size #8 or #10. Good colors are gray, ginger, olive, orange, brown or white. Pine Squirrel, PMS, Hibernators and Leeches are fished in the same sizes, adding black, blood red, purple and white to the color selection. Big Ugly Streamers: For the big ones, throw anything you want but Taneycomo isn’t known as a big streamer fishery, unlike its kin, the White River. They’re thrown at night if the water is off or during the day but the water should be running for best results. Fly Fishing Tactics Outlet #1 is a small stream that flows out a pipe, down a chute, then across a gravel bar in to the lake. The stream is very small and really doesn’t hold fish itself. There’s a dropoff at the end where it meets the lake. Trout will hold on this drop and will take a variety of flies, mostly nymphs and worms under an indicator. The lake from the cable down about 150 yards is wide with some current. This water is good for stripping flies and dead drifting nymphs and midges. This is one of the best places to strip sculpins along the bottom although the bottom is rocky and tends to catch heavy flies. But that’s the reason sculpin flies are good – there’s sculpins that live in the rocks. As the lake narrows and gets a little shallower, the current picks up. The trout can be more active in this area, picking up midge larva as well as scuds and sow bugs because the bottom is mostly gravel. Fish are apt to take surface and/or film flies like small dries, midges, soft hackles and cracklebacks. Outlet #2 enters the lake as a waterfall and doesn’t run very far before hitting the lake. Trout are attracted to this outlet more than any other because of the volume of water and the frequent run of trout food escaping from the hatchery raceways. Fish take many kinds of flies here, mainly dead drifting. The number one fly is a scud with egg flies and San Juan worms close behind. Because the water is faster here, you can get away with using a little heavier tippet. When the trout are fed in the hatchery, pellets escape and are washed in to the lake at the outlets. You may try a pellet fly, a small brown, round dry fly. The pool below outlet #2 is good for stripping small and medium size streamers, film flies and dead drifting midges. Also strip sculpins along the bottom here. Where the lake picks up speed again close to the Rebar Chute, you’re back to drifting scuds, midges, eggs and worms. In the chute, use all of the above but add more weight so that the fly gets to the bottom quickly. Most anglers use a strike indicator or float when dead drifting but some do not. Either is fine. Do what is most comfortable. The short stretch below the chute has changed over the years. It’s not as deep as it used to be but it’s still a very area for fishing a small dry or small midges. Swinging and stripping flies in the Big Hole, especially when there’s a chop on the water or at night, can be excellent fishing. Also dead drifting midges under an indicator. This big area is where you can start fishing a jig under a float–micro and small marabou jigs under a float in various earth colors, black, brown and sculpin being the best. At Rocking Chair, drift scuds, sow bugs, worms and egg flies in the slow current. Strip film flies if there’s a chop on the water. Throw small dries if the trout are rising to midges. Back too a jig and float at the boat ramp since the water is much deeper. Also beaded flies under a float at various depths. Using sink tip line, throw sculpins in this deeper water because there’s a very good population of sculpins here. The big chute is a great place to dead drift all kinds of flies close to the bottom and for stripping and swinging streamers and film flies. Work the end of the chute, where it opens out and slows, with those streamers and film flies. You’re jig and float will work very well through the long, deep water at Trophy Run. Pay attention to the depth of the jig because the water here can be as deep as 10 feet. Find where the trout are — start at 4 feet deep and work down. When the water starts to shallow up, go back to dead drifting nymphs and midges. As the current picks up, swing and strip film flies. Then, after the water gets deeper, fish all of the above — jigs, scuds, midges, eggs and worms. Also strip sculpins in this area. Notes and Techniques When using a fly or jig under an indicator in deeper water like from the cable down below outlet #1, Big Hole, MDC boat ramp or Trophy Run, a double fly rig is useful, pairing a heavier fly with a small fly. Use the heavier fly (jig may be) being on top and the smaller fly (zebra midge, scud or even soft hackle) on the bottom. We use this rig down lake in deeper water with a fly or spinning rod. Tippet recommendation: 6x – 7x. Use a dry fly as an indicator. There are times our trout will readily take a dry even though there’s no hatches occurring. Use a big enough dry to float your nymphs or midges. Keep your leader greased well so that your line doesn’t drag your dry under the water. Any of the dry flies I mentioned are good to use. Tippet recommendation: 6x – 7x. In areas where there’s fairly good current, and you’re dead drifting a nymph under an indicator, add a soft hackle below the nymph. At the end of the drift, let the flies swing up. This is good action for the soft hackle and chances are you’ll get bit at the very end of the drift. Tippet recommendation: 6x – 7x. Sight Fishing – Even with the water off, no generation, water level on tailwaters is constantly changing, most times by only inches. Fish are keenly aware of this and will work the edges of the water for bugs moving in and out with the water. When bugs (scuds, sow bugs) are on the move they are easy to pick off. Therefore, the edges of the shore is the best place to sight fish. When targeting these fish, use something they’re looking for — scuds, sow bugs, midges and worms. Don’t back down from using large imitations, especially where there’s schools of trout working a bank. Competition spawns aggressiveness and aggressiveness promotes eating flies that don’t look anything like natural food. Tippet recommendation: 5x – 6x. Case in point: The White Mega Worm. This big, fluffy yarn worm, sometimes tied on a very small jig head, is more than an attractor fly. Big trout are known to attack this fly in very shallow water. It also works in deeper water. If the fly disappears, it’s probably in a fish’s mouth — set the hook! I suggest using 4 or even 3x tippet. You’ll find yourself getting excited seeing the fish take the fly and setting the hook too hard can be a problem. Plus using a big fly like this, you can get away with heavier tippet. Midge flies are a fly fisherman’s staple on most tailwaters. Taneycomo is no different. We have midge hatches every day, sometimes all day and even at night. Without going into details like a midge’s life cycle, I just want to convey what midges to use in certain conditions. I’ve caught more trout using a simple rig where I use a zebra midge under a palsa float than any other technique. Depth is important. If trout are actively taking flies off the surface or in the film, set the indicator only 6 to 12-inches from the first fly. If there’s little or no activity, set it deeper and keep adjusting until you start getting bit. Tippet recommendation: 6x – 7x. Soft hackles and Cracklebacks are what I call film flies. Both can be skimmed across the surface or just under the surface in the film. Use long leaders and make long casts. There are many ways to retrieve this fly from short, fast to long, slow strips. If there’s current, letting the fly just drift and swing will draw a strike. Tippet recommendation: 5x – 6x. Streamers are worked in and same way except the fly is further under the surface. Sculpins are fished with heavy tippet. Most sculpin flies are weighted enough you shouldn’t need to use sink tip leaders. This fly is worked across the bottom so you should use it in gravel areas mainly. Sculpin move quickly from spot to spot, coming to a complete stop when they’re not moving. Your retrieve should mimic this action. Tippet recommendation: 2x – 3x. Tips Keep in mind trout in shallow water spook easily so stay on dry ground when ever possible. Rainbows will cruise the edges of the shore in very shallow water looking for scuds which travel along the banks. Don’t just arbitrarily wade out to the middle of the lake — you’ll miss some of your best fishing opportunities. Try to land your fly line as gently on the water as possible when casting. It is true our rainbows are used to anglers casting and wading in the upper lake but you’re chances improve greatly the more stealth you are in your presence. Proper mending of line is a must when dead drifting, swinging and even stripping flies. Pay attention closely and make adjustments where needed. Change. I suggest never casting and retrieving the same way more than a few times. Cover water like you’re painting a wall. Vary your strip patterns till you find what the fish like and then if they get off that pattern, change again. Same with flies. Change color and sizes will you find something that will work. Never assume they’re not feeding — they’re just not interested in what you’re throwing and/or how you’re offering it. Your indicator should be as small as possible to float and/or pull the fly through the water you’re fishing. If you’re dragging a fly across the bottom, like a scud, your indicator needs to big a little bigger so that the fly, when it catches the bottom, doesn’t stop, pulling the indicator under. This especially works in #2 outlet and the Rebar Chute. Dead drifting: Always set the hook downstream, into the fish’s mouth. Keep the rod tip low when possible and use the water to add tension to the line set. It will be a quicker hookset as well as keep your lone/fly from ending up in the trees behind you. Film flies: Soft hackles and cracklebacks. On the take, trout will almost always hook themselves. Setting the hook will break your line more times than naught. Read Water Conditions and Adapt Fish will almost always feed better under a choppy surface verses a calm, slight surface. Current does make up for no wind but still, a slight breeze does wonders for the bite. Couple of things to consider when reading the water. Darker skies and broken water — fly size can be bigger and so can your tippet size. Bright sunshine and slick surface conditions mean the fish won’t be as active and can see everything more clearer. Drop in tippet size and go to smaller flies. ** Added/Edited September 27, 2020
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@Devan S. I like your explanation.
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You are correct...
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That orange blob has been getting closer and closer to us the last 4 days...
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http://www.swl-wc.usace.army.mil/pages/reports/remote/white.htm Look at the Percent Full. BS Dam is moving some water through.... grateful for that. But they will have to cut back because of the rain the lower White and Mississippi is getting.
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The post talks as if Beaver has lots of room for storage and lakes below it are high. Just the opposite is true. If you look at patterns, 5 weeks ago they ran flood gates at Beaver and lowered the lake within a foot of seasonal power pool. Then we got a 4-6 inch rain and it shot back up. Table Rock did too and BS rose but not too bad. TR opened gates and got it back down but it rained again and it almost got to 920. Gates helped it to get back down to pool presently and gates are shut. Mind you when I say gates I mean 4 units. They really don't open gates until TR is above 920 feet. So my question is - 5 weeks ago they followed a pattern to get Beaver down quickly. So why didn't they or why don't they get it down now, now that levels on all lakes are the same as they were as early January? Why hold Beaver within 6 inches of flood pool? There's no control there - they'll have to release everything that comes into the lake. That's not control. But I understand control means running the whole system... it does not make sense. And they say they're mandated to run as to a model of some kind. Then there should be some consistency, something recognizable. I'm not seeing it.
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Bill came by and picked up his mount... his reaction is priceless.
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Table Rock Lake's level has dropped to 915.5 feet, just six inches from its seasonal power pool. Monday morning, five spill gates were closed, leaving three turbines on line which pushed about 10,000 cubic feet of water per second into Lake Taneycomo. Personally, I am thankful that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers ran so much water through the lakes above us, but I wish that would continue. Beaver Lake is still more than nine feet above its normal pool, which means the next rain event the basin gets, Beaver Dam will have to open its spill gates. At this time, Beaver Dam officials have been generating nonstop, allowing about 3,800 c.f.s of water to pass through. They are running one of two turbines. That lake level, though, is not dropping but holding at 1,129.64 feet. It should start dropping soon, albeit, very slowly. So we're almost back to where we were 10 days ago. Table Rock dam operators are running three turbines presently, but there's a good chance we may see only two units running by the weekend as the lakes continue to drop. You could search out the fishing report I posted two weeks ago and go from there. Our trout are hungry for the same thing -- scuds, worms and minnows. There is one difference, though. During this spill gate event, we spotted numerous threadfin shad in the water close to the dam. Just Monday during One Cast, we saw one, still alive, swimming on the surface in the Trophy Run area. The trout up close to the dam are also taking white jigs and shad flies better than they did a couple of weeks ago. I would also suggest dragging a small jerk bait or minnow bait either using a three-way drift rig or a carolina rig. These are some of the baits we carry in our shop and use. They are floating and vary in length from 2.5 to 3 inches. We use either four- or six-pound line and a medium to medium-light action spinning rod, preferably six foot or longer. When drifting this bait, of course, you want it ticking the bottom, but there's something else that draws a bite. Lift the rod, making the lure run a little fast, then let the rod back down. There's no right or wrong way to do this. . . just try it and see if you get bit faster. The strike can be pretty hard, or the line may just get heavy and the ticking stops. It's best to set the hook if there's any question. You can fish this bait anywhere on the lake where there's enough current to drift this bait on the bottom. This past week, my fishing buddy John Johnson fished a couple of days with a friend of his. They did just okay in the trophy area using white jigs and drifting scuds. They wanted to keep some rainbows, so they ended up drifting a pink San Juan worm from Fall Creek down to Lilleys' Landing and caught some nice trout, more than enough to take home. The dock crew at Lilleys' Landing always asks anglers, after a day of fishing, what caught their trout. Most are drifting bait (worms, minnows and Power Bait) on the bottom at various stretches below Fall Creek. One thing to note -- some have reported their trout bellies are bulging with scuds when they clean them. Every time the spill gates are opened and the current increases on the upper lake, it seems our trout eat a lot of freshwater shrimp. The only reason I can think of is that the shrimp are swept up up of out their hiding places in the gravel where they are easy prey. Whatever the reason, drifting a scud on the bottom during and soon after these events is a great way to catch trout, especially the older, more experienced fish that are accustomed to feeding on these bugs. Egg flies are working, too. These are fished just like the Power Eggs Berkleys makes except they're artificial, made of yarn with no scent. Bob Berry caught this big beautiful rainbow Monday while drifting below the dam using a peach egg fly. It measured 25 inches and was released after shooting a quick photo. Note how dark it is. Our rainbows are still in their spawning colors, and this male rainbow is a perfect example. A Y2K will work, too, as well as the Miracle Fly Jeremy Hunt ties. The Y2k is tied with a bead, and the Miracle fly is tied on a jig head. I would suggest using the 1/100th-ounce instead of the 1/80th-ounce unless you're going to use it under a float. Of course, don't forget about drifting other areas of the lake for trout. The Cooper Creek area is holding a lot of rainbows. Monkey Island down through the Branson Landing is too . . . and for sure you need to hit the mouths of Turkey, Coon and Roark Creeks. Word is there's schools of rainbows in those areas. View full article