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build an impossible wall, create national constitutional carry, act like president - nada... but the Democrats elected him by their choice of candidates and will again. Probably set up as far back as when Bill was nominated.

I liked Ike, and he was a fly fisherman before it was fashionable. But even he was bent on centralizing and big government, Federal control of the highways being just an example. His party also handed the election over to the opposition when his turn was up. Look at all the presidential elections since WWI and you will see that the losing party never had any intention of winning when they picked the candidate. What we have in this country is a not a two party system or there would be better candidates offered up. National politics is as phony as fake wrestling. Every round is predetermined.

It's been a long time since either party ran a genuine candidate for POTUS, I find myself voting against rather than for in most elections. Both parties have essentially the same long term goals and that is bigger government and greater public dependency on the central government. Both parties feed each other and both feed off each other, petty bickering to keep the voters believing there is a difference and to keep voters minds off any real changes. They seem to take turns forfeiting the White House by running their least electable candidate, they always hang together against any outside candidate or third party because both parties are benefiting from the status quo. They are in it together, they are all fake and grifters.

CWD is not a virus, has no value as a biological weapon and may not be transmittable between humans; it is however a product of university level experimentation. Technically the meat and produce aisles at the nearby Super Center are "wet markets". But, unless a virus carrier spits on your meat , you then handle it raw and put your finger up your nose without washing, you ain't gonna get the virus there, any more than this came from a meat and produce market in Asia.

Pretty obvious that no one "patented" this virus, Gates foundation or anyone else. Some one may have patented a treatment or vaccine for one of the thousands of other Corona viruses, rabies is a corona virus that there is a vaccine for, I think. Do they patent vaccines?

Someone told me two weeks ago that Bill Gates had patented this virus in 2015 and that he owned the lab in Wuhan. Guy that passed this on to me got it from FB.

Yessir, if every one was forced to eat what they catch there would be a lot fewer people out there. One day the animal rights folks will shut down all recreational fishing because of C&R, and transporting before release will play a major part in that. But that's OK, I'll be done fishing by then.

And I always thought any material that was used to attach the fly to end of leader was tippet material; so, I don't know much .. however I don't believe that when using a cork the leader or tippet are either very important, it's not like the leader turns that rig over and the tippet lets the fly drift freely. Of all the indicator users I've watched a RRSP, the best at catching fish tied his "tippet'' directly to the end of the fly line and attached the indicator at that point, his ''tippet'' was three feet of white nylon thread. It's been a few years since I saw him there but the lesson stuck.

He got this much right. I think maybe no one is still in MDC who remembers the details of why, and the why may vary with park. There is absolutely no reason a guy with a 5' spinning rod needs more room to fish "flies" than to fish artificial lures or live baits. Under Mo. regulations fly fishing does not require the use of fly rod or fly line, so the more room argument is not applicable. A long time ago many fly rod users nationwide felt they could not compete with spin fishers, felt they had to work more than the spin fisher to catch a fish, felt there was more tradition in fly fishing and that it was a disappearing art form that needed protection and lobbied for a safe place where they could practice their art. It happened in lots of places and it wasn't for population dynamics either; trout in most of the US have been regularly stocked from hatcheries for over a hundred years. As non-native fish they rarely become established enough to warrant population protection, and that is done by setting seasons and limits, not by methods. With no limits a couple of top fly anglers could clean out a stream quicker than the average lure angler. The protection was meant to be for the fly anglers egos, a no competition zone. (some of us were against FFO zones back in the '70s, but numbers rule) What stymied the "safe space" in Mo. was/is our definition of "fly fishing", some states require the use of fly rod, fly line, etc. rather than simply the use of any material permanently fastened to a single point hook. Any kid with a zebco is a "fly fisherman" in Mo. The bait only zone in Bennett must have been a whiplash from the FFO and designed to give the spin fishers a "safe space" of their own, unlike RR where I can and do fly fish all zones. Under the "Fly Fishing" definition of the state where i started with flies it was "fly rod and single action reel" so this left trolling a lake with lead core open as FF and I could legally fish live bait on my fly rod in FFO waters, kinda the opposite of Mo. but again shows the difficulty of designating FFO water and coming up with definitions that work. Recently MDC had an opinion that rubber legs on a fly made it a soft plastic bait, I think that was eventually changed back to anything goes in FFO as long as the hook is single point.

I won't live long enough to fish all the streams and lakes in my five or six county area. Just wish there was more easy access places. Mass transit and half clean hotel rooms have very little allure to me.

Small stream, wild bred fish adapt, I've never fished there but 10" may be whopper in that size water.

I think brown snakes are on the increase, at least I've seen more over the last few years. On the other hand I'm seeing fewer snakes of all other kinds. 30 years ago a trip to town would show 10-20 road kill snakes, many of them copperheads; over the last 3-5 years it's been rare to see any road killed snakes and most of them are rat snakes. I suspect armadillos out-compete snakes for foods or possibly prey on snake eggs or young, because the decrease in snakes that I observe is at the same time that armadillos have increased.

The first two pictures, I think Tenkara or dapping. Or no cast surface jittering; feeding line out from several yards upstream, making the fly stop and start, dance and dive as it reaches the sweet spot. Three passes max, maybe, but those three passes might take me most of an hour. I'd only cast on the last go, even the splash of a tippet will startle every thing in that little shelter. That's a place where you might crawl into position and stand on your knees. Shadows will be a problem always, you, the rod, line, even tippet will lay down moving shadows, so best go there on overcast days if possible or at times when the sun is low in the sky. Lack of brush in those pictures and a mostly open canopy are part of why the fish are shy. Trout in small streams I've fished loved shade, and many of the brooks that size in the NE had tunnel canopies from the streamside bushes. If they see more than one angler in an average week there, I'd consider night timing it. Nights have lots of shade. But, it's been many years since I fished small wild trout and I may have a faulty memory, so mind what these other guys are saying. I'm not especially a Humphreys fan and I've read his book three times, and recommend it as a primer.

Billethead, You have taken exactly the same view of self superiority that the Europeans had when they treated the indigenous peoples of Africa, the Americas, Australia and India as subhumans. You chose to be superior to you parents and grandparents. I don't believe you. And when I said "we" in my previous post, I meant it as encompassing all of mankind. If you want to take it to a personal level, make a choice about a loved ones life and that of a stranger, both in fatal danger and you can save only one, which is it? You wife is being attacked, do you remain civilized and reason with the attacker while calling the police or do turn to violence and retaliation? The mere fact that we in possibly the most advanced country of the world still have jails and a criminal code is solid evidence that we as a nation are still not civilized. The fact that we still feel the need for a military is solid evidence that we as a nation do not believe other nations are civilized. Rather a pointless discussion, like the merits of one religion over another, the speakers choice will always be the right one.

Congratulations. Can you say that with authority and proof about any or all politicians worldwide?

Why would they need permits? who is checking? No fishing permit needed either.

But we are really no more civilized that we were 500 years ago, when we did this, are we? Most of us can claim to be descended from those who used smallpox and cholera to win ownership of the Americas. And even those who did this thought or claimed that they were the most civilized peoples of the world. Throughout history one side in every war has claimed to be superior beings to the animals they were attempting to kill, often enough both sides claimed the high ground. I don't think civilized man is nearly as commendable as his remotest savage ancestors in such matters, it appears that the more civilized a tribe is the easier it is for them to devalue the lives of other tribes.

That might mean the originator has the antidote/cure/vaccine in hand. I know I wouldn't loose a plague on the world unless I had a control mechanism.

me neither, 70 yo next month been fishin over 50 of them and never saw a live WB. I have eaten some the soninlaw caught. I'm gonna always call the piece the fly ties onto tippet even if it's braid. <5X is likely Rio nylon. I've tried a lot of famous/fad/new on the market/other material with no joy.

Them is leaders, but, yeah I know some line is sold as tippet but I always thought that was just packaging/marketing.

Well, "they" say "if it's on the web, it has to true"; but then "they" (different "they") say that if it's in the Book it has to be true"; so I reckon almost everything is "true"(except Bob's 8# goggle eye and Bill's still lit lantern out of Sugar Creek-them was never in the Book and happened long before the www.)

12# tippet, I think

I guess no one here old enough to remember before electric trolling motors. That stuff about Apostles may not be true according to stuff I read on the internet.

Obviously Oneshot1 is Oneshot regenerated

One of my brothers was a career Air Force NCO. He had a history.