Pokat made mention of the 5 to 6 jokers and their snagging abilities. I can tell a story of a similiar pair that used to frequent bssp on a regular basis in the 70's and 80's. They were at bssp alot, and never failed to travel to the other parks during derby events. Back then, big stringer at a derby paid 100 to 150 dollars. They used a snagging system that required both of them to cast to the same fish. Myself and at least one other person from this board, have witnessed it on a few occassions. Newly released lunkers have a tendency to hold very tight and are rarely spooky. This pair would position themselves directly upstream, and the person on the right would cast to the left side and downstream of the fish. The person on the left would do the opposite. As they retrieved, the two lines formed and "X" in front of the fish dragging each lure directly along side of the fish. When one of the lines touched the fish in the face, he would turn away directly in the path of the other lure. Bingo, snagged in either the pectoral fin or the gill plate. Sometimes both lures would snag up. Several of us would hound and harrass them to the point that they quit coming to bssp. We find out later that they took their skills to the norfork and white rivers. One of the pair ended up with a line class world record from norfork. You will never convince me that it was a legal catch. As with the fish they turned in for derby events, you would basically have to forever lie about how you" legally" caught those fish.