Trespass

[Flyflinger]

Not at all. I don't talk about it much but I am actually a trained and confident gunsmith and once had a FFL. I am a Sporting Arms enthusiast through and through.

I just think that most people who C&C have no business or reason for doing so. Haven't you noticed that 80% of C&C permit carriers are always ANNOUNCING IT at every given opportunity ? What's that about?

I also am mildly annoyed that the number of C&C permit owners who have been to DUI court seems to escape the news. The local bar is full of permit carriers. Why Conceal? Open carry if you think you need it, and remove it entirely when you dont. If you're afraid to go somewhere without a "weapon" then you prolly shouldn't go there.

That's all.

Sounds like you are talking more about personal responsibility or lack there of....rather then gun regulations.

1. I don't go to bars....because it's against the law to carry there. Plus i don't really like them.

2. You believe that MOST people who have CCW shouldn't...ok...it's a belief..not a fact. Your entitled to it.

3. 80%? A number you pulled out of thin air? Unless you count talking about it here openly...I never tell anyone about it in a personal everyday sort of way. The ones who announce...why? Your guess is as good as mine. Probably the same reason why people do burn outs with their cars....

4. I am also annoyed at the number of DUI charges against... high school teachers, priest, lawyers, doctors, politicians, and plumbers....another personal responsibility thing.

5. Open carry? Not a good idea...unless you want to be the first one shot if someone does decide that they want to do harm.

6. If you can tell me the exact time and place that my life might be in danger...i will gladly not go there. Until then...i will be prepared. plus...Fear has nothing to do with why I carry...nothing. I don't ware a safty belt because I fear a crash every time I get in the car....i just know it's a possibility that I am prepared for...in the best way I can.

[ness]

flyingfingercricketwrench,

I think you've been taking it personally, and trying to turn it into a gun rights argument. I'll sum up my point, and I hope you'll take it for what it is, not what it could be: I don't see a need to carry when fishing because the risks are minimal. I believe the risks go up when there's a gun in the mix.

Have a good day, and please be sure to post a warning here if you're planning to be out on the stream.

[fishinwrench]

"Prepared"? You're not prepared with that short nosed brass ratchet tucked securly under your jacket or pant leg.... you wanna be prepared? Then carry around a shotgun loaded with 4's

I have sat at the range and watched plenty of permit carriers (men and women alike) handle and fire their "protection".....

YIKES!

I'm NOT making assumptions on YOUR abilities, but rather the abilities and skill level of the majority.

[fishinwrench]

flyingfingercricketwrench,

I think you've been taking it personally, and trying to turn it into a gun rights argument. I'll sum up my point, and I hope you'll take it for what it is, not what it could be: I don't see a need to carry when fishing because the risks are minimal. I believe the risks go up when there's a gun in the mix.

Have a good day, and please be sure to post a warning here if you're planning to be out on the stream.

Agreed!

[Feathers and Fins]

Not at all. I don't talk about it much but I am actually a trained and confident gunsmith and once had a FFL. I am a Sporting Arms enthusiast through and through. I just think that most people who C&C have no business or reason for doing so. Haven't you noticed that 80% of C&C permit carriers are always ANNOUNCING IT at every given opportunity ? What's that about? I also am mildly annoyed that the number of C&C permit owners who have been to DUI court seems to escape the news. The local bar is full of permit carriers. Why Conceal? Open carry if you think you need it, and remove it entirely when you dont. If you're afraid to go somewhere without a "weapon" then you prolly shouldn't go there. That's all.

Actually most CC carriers I know wont announce it to anyone, Yes I wil ltalk about it on here but in general public NO WAY. I will give you a perfect example I was out to dinner the other night with a friend and his wife. All 4 of us present have CC permits and know it because we shoot togeather and hunt togeather. But I have never nor them to my knowledge talked about it openly when other are discussing it. Yes there are braggarts out there and people with a Macho image about carrying but i would bet your 80% number would be more reflective of those who dont talk about it then those who do and probably closer to 95% if i was to hazard to guess.

You may see it on the internet talked about or at a gun range. Both places are where people would talk about guns in the right situation and it would be only logical they would talk about it there.

And until the 2nd ammendment is repealed then EVERYONE has the right to carry, If you are a gun enthusiast as you said. I find it very odd you would make this comment

I just think that most people who C&C have no business or reason for doing so

That comment goes directly against the 2nd ammendment and our gun rights.

As to Open carry: Who do you think will be the first shot by a criminal, the one openly carrying that is an obvious threat to his criminal activity or the CC. While Joe dirt bag is taking out Mr Open Carry I will have pulled my weapon and fired as I was not the one he was paying attention to.

Now as to this statement

If you're afraid to go somewhere without a "weapon" then you prolly shouldn't go there.

Some of us have to for work or maybe your running low on gas and have to get off in an area unfamiliar to you and dont know its a bad area. Or your in a very good area Like say a McDonalds and someone walks in with a gun. You cant predict where a criminal will be but you can be prepared.

[jdmidwest]

As far as DUI is concerned, it would result in the revoking of the CCW permit and flag you every time you try to purchase a firearm thru the National Checking System. Guns and alcohol don't mix and it is illegal to use one under the influence. I would be willing to bet that there are more drunken deer hunters that only have a firearm in their hands a few days a year than there are permitted CCW individuals that are under the influence in a whole year.

As far as Open Carry is concerned, I feel it is more of a deterrent to the criminal and may make them think twice. I remember a time when I pulled up in front of my apartment, got out of the truck, and turned around with a loaded 1911 I had been transporting that night from work. I heard a voice proclaim "oh s t, he has a gun" and realized a pair of thugs had followed me with the lights off and tried to pull something on me. I chuckled as I watched them peel out in their car. I have never felt it made me a target. And I can bring it to action quicker than I could pulling one out of concealment. If open carry targets someone, they would be shooting law enforcement all of the time.

As far as needing a weapon, most of us travel late night to reach our fishing destinations. It so happens that that is the prime time when crime likes to happen. We all have to stop in places that we are unfamiliar with. And most travel alone. Law enforcement numbers are lower at that time of a night, criminals take advantage of it. It will be you against them at that time, most sensible persons would prefer the upper hand in case they run against that sort of thing.

[ColdWaterFshr]

As far as Open Carry is concerned, I feel it is more of a deterrent to the criminal and may make them think twice. I remember a time when I pulled up in front of my apartment, got out of the truck, and turned around with a loaded 1911 I had been transporting that night from work. I heard a voice proclaim "oh s t, he has a gun" and realized a pair of thugs had followed me with the lights off and tried to pull something on me. I chuckled as I watched them peel out in their car. I have never felt it made me a target. And I can bring it to action quicker than I could pulling one out of concealment. If open carry targets someone, they would be shooting law enforcement all of the time.

JD - you lost me on this one, and I'm generally a fan of yours, love all your work. Let me see if this is right --- You got out of your truck already holding a loaded gun, and THEN suddenly became aware that you were about to become a target of some thugs, but they saw you with a gun, and turned tail and ran? Is this correct? And you say "open carry" MAY be a deterrent???

I'd say it would almost be an absolute deterrent, but we'd all be characters living in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome I suppose. "Peel rubber, Vern, we're not mugging that grandma with a bag a groceries, she just gotta out of the Buick with a .44 in her free hand, lets go to Starbucks an slay some pacifists!"

[fishinwrench]

Couldn't be possible that they were just chillin, saw you hop out with a smokepole....and hauled @$$ figuring you were about to slay your wifes lover, and preferred not to be a witness.

But you have this little play going on in your head that excites you, so you choose to assume they were probably assailants that got thwarted by the presence of cold blue steel.

[Gavin]

Open Carry works for the Military and Law enforcement, but your taking a risk if you are in civi's. People dont have a context to identify you so the freak out...Dork with gun is about the best read that you can hope for;>)!

[jjtroutbum]

Lots of Hog wash in this thread. From both sides, the hoplophoics and guys thinking they know gun laws. ( Just tryin to be fair its a fairly recent change in MO. law.)

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense;

Found Here: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM

So drunk with gun while not smart for stupid drunks, is not aginst the law anymore. But drunk with gun and do something stupid/illegal with it is well illegal.