Interesting Weather Record Set Today

[creekin bassnerd]

Tim I will just make a very uncarring observation here. You keep talking about this thread getting yanked but it appears you are the one attacking everyone who does not side or agree with you. It is very difficult to carry on a discussion with someone who is the insulter to all those who dont agree with them.

Come on, seriously?? Tim is the only one here who has apparently done research on the topic. He's definitely the only one that has presented facts and provided data to support his view. You guys should sit back and try to learn something rather than ganging up on the one dude who knows what he's talkin about. I havent said much on this issue though I have been following it. I would rather try and learn something than get on here and try and poison the flow of information. Everyone has an opinion, but few here have any idea what they are talking about.

Anyway I said it once and I'll say it again. Tim, thank you for standing up for the science and what is right. Its a tough battle when the brick wall you're arguing with denies any scientific logic you present.

[Tim Smith]

Tim I will just make a very uncarring observation here. You keep talking about this thread getting yanked but it appears you are the one attacking everyone who does not side or agree with you. It is very difficult to carry on a discussion with someone who is the insulter to all those who dont agree with them.

I've addressed content in every post, F and F.

I have seen so much nonsense posted on this topic I have given up trying to be kind...and perhaps that is my own moral failing.... but the content I post can be documented and it focuses on facts. Maybe that makes you makes you mad but frankly that up to you, not me.

You're still harping on that experimental nonsense when we only have one climate. Environmental science has gotten plenty right without experiments and for you to reject it makes no sense at all. I'll call you out on that every time because it's just wrong.

...it's up to you if you want to make this personal as you did here. I'm here to talk content.

[Wayne SW/MO]

If you want to discuss the East Anglia issue with specifics then do it.

Haven't they taken the lead in this and don't most scientist rely on their direction? Are you saying that none of the accusations concerning their data or their attitude toward review is true?

[Daryk Campbell Sr]

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KANSAS CITY/PLEASANT HILL MO

747 AM CDT SAT JUN 2 2012

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE TIED AT KANSAS CITY INTERNATIONAL...

THE TEMPERATURE DROPPED TO 47 DEGREES THIS MORNING AT KANSAS CITY

INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. THIS TIES THE OLD RECORD OF 47 SET IN 1969.

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In Arcadia Valley this morning, the temp gage on the Rapp weather station showed 42 at daylight. What a difference a week makes! We also got about 0.4 inches of rain this week. But, you sure can't tell it now!

Yes, Jerry that is interesting. Neat to see records broken, but tied is cool also.

[Feathers and Fins]

I have not made it personal though I suspect you have. I personaly do not know you so it is impossible for me to make it personal. You on the other hand and by your own words have

I have given up trying to be kind...

when a person gives up trying to discuss a topic let alone debate one in a kind and courteous way with others they will loose ALL respect from other people in regards to the topic at hand.

So before I really get bored to death with it again I will answer it in this way. 300 years to go up 1 degree. By the graph itself it would take roughly give or take another 7 to 900 years to attain 3 degree's more rise. However as I pointed out we { humans } have made steps in correcting issues such as CO Emmissions and Deforrestation that CANNOT be factored into that niffty little graph. It cannot show if our technological advancements will gradualy or greatly reduce the climate change temperature and CO and in what time frame.

Yes I have studied this topic and found it lacking in many areas as there are many factors such as the ones i just pointed out that must be factored into the scenrio and I have yet to see one credable paper or research that has taken that into account and its potential changes to the stratoms.

[Smalliebigs]

Unless Dr. Tim Smith has a distinguished background in global climatology . . . . he's just another in a long line of armchair pseudo-scientists who keeps googling for research on the ole inner-net. And then burping it up on a fishing website and hoping for support. Fascinating stuff.

wow......we really need to go fishing

[Tim Smith]

Haven't they taken the lead in this and don't most scientist rely on their direction? Are you saying that none of the accusations concerning their data or their attitude toward review is true?

This is your issue. It's up to you to point out where it changes the conclusions of the science.

As for East Anglia being a leader in this field, I'd say NOAA and NASA collect far more data. The IPCC includes East Anglia but there are many more people involved in this than them.

[Tim Smith]

I have not made it personal though I suspect you have. I personaly do not know you so it is impossible for me to make it personal. You on the other hand and by your own words have when a person gives up trying to discuss a topic let alone debate one in a kind and courteous way with others they will loose ALL respect from other people in regards to the topic at hand.

So before I really get bored to death with it again I will answer it in this way. 300 years to go up 1 degree. By the graph itself it would take roughly give or take another 7 to 900 years to attain 3 degree's more rise. However as I pointed out we { humans } have made steps in correcting issues such as CO Emmissions and Deforrestation that CANNOT be factored into that niffty little graph. It cannot show if our technological advancements will gradualy or greatly reduce the climate change temperature and CO and in what time frame.

Yes I have studied this topic and found it lacking in many areas as there are many factors such as the ones i just pointed out that must be factored into the scenrio and I have yet to see one credable paper or research that has taken that into account and its potential changes to the stratoms.

Your respect is up to you.

As for your content...

Yes, the graph isn't deterministic. Things could turn a lot of ways. We had a 10% reduction in emissions the year the economy folded and with China and India slowing down now we might be in for another big round of that. Frankly, I'm hoping that doesn't happen. It's not like policy decisions will trump everything else that happens in the world but right now we aren't even on the same page about what's fact and what's fiction. As a nation we're squandering our ability to act on one cold day in Missouri.

If that's the approach we're stuck with, It may well be the best we can do is batten down the hatches and get ready for the ride.

[kirbydog]

Wow.

The non believers (I'm one of them) don't for the most part deny there has been global warming or climate change (the preferred name now). What they deny is that man has played a substantial role in this climate change.

What they also argue is that the earth has experienced many climate shifts in the past, long before industrialzation took place. Many of the climate shifts were dramatic-our great lakes were created in the last ice age that lasted hudreds of years. And guess what, there were no factories back then, or cars.

I live in CO, at one time we were part of a massive inland tropical sea-no indutrial production, or cars, or cows back them either.

[eric1978]

Many of the climate shifts were dramatic-our great lakes were created in the last ice age that lasted hudreds of years.

Thousands, tens of thousands actually. It took tens of thousands of years for that climate shift to occur.

We're talking about average global temperatures rising a full degree in a hundred years. The difference is significant.

I keep hearing people say they want to see more facts...but then they wouldn't believe them anyway...as if scientific data is up for debate. Some of you folks would deny the existence of gravity if Al Gore said it was real. Forget Al Gore...this is about science, and if you don't "believe" in science, you're just a clown and there's no point having a discussion with you. Insanity.