Thanks Obamacare!

[zander]

The article you quoted stated that it will only effect "high income" taxpayers. I doubt they would live in a $100,000 house and most retirees I know are not "high-income."

Here are some figures from the White House. (granted to be just as biased as the GOP's numbers)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/myths-and-facts#healthcare-menu

[Justin Spencer]

But right now you don't really need to buy it - just wait till you get sick and then buy it. When you're treated and it's paid for, drop the insurance till you're sick again.

That's why we must have a requirement that everyone has to be insured. Just like with a car wreck, you don't get to buy after you have the wreck, you are required to have it in case you wreck. You should be required to have insurance for when you do get sick, because eventually you will. The well people then offset the cost of the sick people with the insurance companies.

Many people have pre-existing conditions that cost insurance nothing. My wife has a pre-existing condition that has disappeared and hasn't required medication for 10 years yet still makes her uninsurable, that ain't right.

[Justin Spencer]

just the fact that Nancy Pelosi said "we will just have to pass it to see whats in it" was enough for me to raise many red flags. Much less one of my kids who is a Doctor........hates it. And that Obama promised transparency in all bill proceedings to be shown on C-Span, and then this Act was passed in the middle of the night with no coverage.......... just another thing that makes no common sense. And remember the Swine Flu scare that was running rampant at the same time?

Home Sales Tax-effective Jan. 1, 2013

IMPORTANT WARNING! YOUR CHILDREN WILL PAY THIS IF THEY INHERIT YOUR HOME.

There is a saying in Florida : If the gators don't get you, the water moccasins will.

When does your home become part of your health care? After 2012! Your vote counts big time in 2012, make sure you and all your friends and family know about this !

HOME SALES TAX

The National Association of Realtors is all over this and working to get it repealed, -- before it takes effect. But, I am very pleased we aren't the only ones who know about this ploy to steal billions from unsuspecting homeowners. How many realtors do you think will vote Democratic in 2012? Did you know that if you sell your house after 2012 you will pay a 3.8%sales tax on it? That's $3,800 on a $100,000 home, etc. When did this happen? It's in the health care bill, -- and it goes into effect in 2013.

Why 2013? Could it be so that it doesn't come to light until after the 2012 elections? So, this is 'change you can believe in? Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% sales tax. If you sell a $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax.

This bill is set to screw the retiring generation -- who often downsize their homes. Does this make your November, 2012 vote more important?

Oh, you weren't aware that this was in the Obama Care bill? Guess what;you aren't alone! There are more than a few members of Congress that weren't aware of it either. You can check this out for yourself at:

http://www.gop.gov/b...care-taxes-home

If that's true then that is one of the things that they could tweak, don't get rid of it all and start over, we have a starting point now we must adjust from there.

[awhuber]

That's the kind of comment that will get this x'd out, and is heresay. I don't believe that any more than I believe that costs will go down dramatically, only time will tell.

We got a $400 check 2 wweks ago and a notice of $100 a month increase last week...

[Daryk Campbell Sr]

Your point is valid with two exceptions. You can survive without a car, but you will go to the doctor sooner or later. Second, you are paying for all the uninsured all ready...when they can't pay the bill that cost is passed on to the rest of us who have insurance. The hospital is a business also.

The car reference was to keep anyone from saying you are required to buy auto insurance.

We are adding personal accountability, right now if you don't have insurance you will still be treated, life flighted etc. even if you can't pay for it. I say let those without insurance pay for it before being treated, if they can't let them die. I bet everyone would get insurance then!

Per the current law, hospitals are only required to treat life threatening situations. Somehow that has been taken advantage of. I agree with the idea of let them die. I know it seems hardcore, but when most can buy whatever they want, but choose not to take personal accountability, because someone else will pay, I quit caring. Many charities will come out and pay when the government won't.

[Jack Jones]

As someone with multiple "pre-existing" conditions, I've been forced in the past to take specific jobs just to have insurance coverage. I think we really hurt our economy and entrepreneurs when they have to work for someone else to have insurance. It's one of the ways corporate America has found to enslave the middle and working class, thereby avoiding competition.

As for how insurance companies make money without denying people, come make that argument to me when their CEO's and execs aren't making multi-million dollar salaries and then we can talk about how having to accept people affects their bottom lines. The truth is they are doing just fine. In this day and age, it's a pity that we are one of the only advanced, industrial nations in the world to not offer health care to its citizens. And in the end, we will pay the price for it.

[Justin Spencer]

We got a $400 check 2 wweks ago and a notice of $100 a month increase last week...

Mine has been going up like that every year without getting any back, at least this time we get something back. Should mean we get even more back next year if the companies make more money.

Common sense tells me that as everyone becomes covered by insurance the hospitals and doctors will get paid by everyone instead of eating a bunch of bills that never get paid. Over time this should bring the cost of healthcare down as they don't have to factor in unpaid procedures.

Something interesting I saw a while back was that nearly half of all bankruptcies in the US are attributed to unpaid medical expenses, another drain on everyone.

[Phil Lilley]

I'm gonna be ticked if this gets more views and posts than my big rainbow topic!!

[Wayne SW/MO]

Some points.

The CBO keeps changing their figures.

Manufacturers don't have to give the Chinese health insurance.

The true cost of health care is cloudy at best. If you are footing the bill you will get one cost, if insurance is paying another, if Medicare is paying another, etc. I was free of the industry until a few years ago and now I've gotten an eye opening experience. I've seen charges of $150 reduced to $14 because it was under contract. The bill didn't even attempt to level the field before it was passed. Medicine is as important and maybe more important the the diagnosis, yet they industry got a bye.

I suspect if this thread is started 5 years from now it will see a far greater negative response then it will today because only the favorable sides will take affect before the election. The child extension and the pre-existing has started but won't hit the pocketbook for a few years.

Here's a question, I don't know the answer, Where does the money from the no insurance tax go to?

[Jerry Rapp]

Lilley, nice rainbow by the way, but this country is really being divided. Justin, if you want govt controlled Health Care just move to Canada or Cuba, and report back when you can. Heck, the govt can't even run the Post Office. If you take in so much in 2006, shouldn't you base your base your 2007 budget on that amount? Duh? But the Post Offfice management can't do that. Why is that Justin?