What's Up With The Loud Noise And Big Lights All Night In Clevenger?

[MrTwisters]

In many nutrient-rich reservoirs, carp may at first reproduce successfully, resulting in one or two strong year classes in succession. Their long lifespan (up to 15 years or more) and potential to reach a large size (up to 20 pounds or more) allow fish from strong year classes to grow steadily, rapidly at first, but more slowly later on as they become large and exceed natural limits of their food supply.

Eventually the reservoir is full of large, old carp whose reproductive success is poor, because the reservoir's carrying capacity for carp is reached. Growth and survival rates of young-of-the-year are low. Although few young carp are added to the population, the damage was done when the strong year classes were produced.

you just might get a huge hatch and have 10 more little carp for everyone one big older carp.....dumpstering fish like that might just cause more issues than it cures...something to think about

[MrTwisters]

history of carp distain Thu Nov 24, 2005 by mocarp

The tide of public opinion turned against carp starting in the United States around late 1890’s (about 20 years after the first federal stockings) at the start of introductions Common Carp were a fish intended for the masses- yet carp remained popular in Europe to this day, why? Reputations are shaped by public views-- just as the Carps reputation was shaped by events 125 years ago in the USA, then why was the carp not held in distain in the UK or Europe?
It is a myth that Europeans do not have anything else to catch or have few places to fish, Northern Pike, many trout species (even our own rainbows and brookies)--Zander--"a walleye like fish"—even a mega Predator called the Wels Catfish, are available to fisherman from any walk of life, but Carp are still king by a wide margin with billions spent across the EU. Why?
Carp became a metaphor for all things poor—carp introductions was not meant as a federal institutionalization of fish farming per say but more like the Brits planting of breadfruit trees as a cheap food source for slave populations of the Caribbean. Or like the potato in Ireland.
These foods wealthy landowners considered foods that were low class.

The growing animosity that developed over time toward African Americans & immigrants around the time of carp introductions-is well documented. Naturally, any low income population subsists to some degree on hunted and gathered food sources to supplement more modern ways of working and earning wages to put food on the table. Unwanted items, became "poor mans fodder" chitins--fatback--possum--coon--and carp-- plentiful and cheap---any people that ate them, where looked at in the same light--back then you fished to catch and eat--and if your a middle class man and caught some carp the proper thing was to give them to “that poor family down the street” a still pervasive attitude even today.

Hunger was an issue in post civil war south and its boarder states--the complete dismantling of the old south plantation cotton economy/ and the poor food crop production from played out old cotton fields took many decades before the average southerner was living as well as they did pre-civil war--carp where an abundant food possibility--that could be harvested with no more than a trot line an a bit of cotton seed cake--- a rational way to catch carp in southern rivers--many an African American family ate carp--and why not?- considering how little cost was involved and the poundage of quality protein that would feed the large families at that time.

Many lakes & streams where still distressed well into the 1950’s & less hardy bass and crappies were unable to compete the way carp and other fish can in contaminated waters because of the ability to take oxygen from the surface in low in oxygen environments due to pollution


In the USA stocking Carp was intended to supplement traditional food fishes as a sustainable food source in many lakes & streams to augment fish stocks. At the time of the first carp stockings many states did not like the idea of the federal government telling them what to do—the confederate civil war veterans, most who would have been in their late 30’s to early 50’s with all the resentments of reconstruction, many viewed the carp as carpet bagger or immigrants fish with all the distain that comes with associated politics. In the northeast a flood of immigration from Eastern Europe where carp had been part of there diet for centuries. In many ways public opinion on immigration today mirror those at the turn of the century.

Common carp quickly became considered a "poor mans fish" that’s was given to the states as a means to feed the poor minorities and immigrants. That along with the ability of the carp to dominate or take over distressed aquatic environments, was an uncomfortable metaphor for the northern business folk swooping down on the south to take advantage of new business opportunities (carpet baggers) or the huge wave of emigrants entering the northeast. it’s not surprising how the view of carp happened the way that it did


The Brown Trout also once had a negative public reputation but seemed to weather the negativity, were as the carp elsewhere did not--possibly because the numbers of browns where not as wide spread as carp--and as trout were not a major food source for those who subsisted to some degree on wild caught foods in areas where they where stocked, primarily African Americans and eastern European or poor whites -- ---Even today trout fishing in most areas of the USA if not the world are demographically upscale " meaning trout fisherman on the average have a higher income level " just look at an Orvis catalog and you can see what I mean--which is one reason browns never sank to the level of distain as the carp. A proper game fish for wealthy Victorians was trout and the early rise of sport fishing was about the fly and the fish that could be caught on a fly. Then later-in the south’s warm waters--the bass--which was the southern equivalent –in fact southern old timers called largemouth bass "green trout" and the fish where much less available and rarer than carp at that time, remember this is before many large man made lakes that where built after 1930. Into the boom years of lake building 1950---1975 where almost billion surface acres of new largemouth and also carp habitat where constructed which coincided with the exploding sport fishing movement aided by the advent of spinning reels with monofilament fishing line. Up until post WW2 early sport fishing gear was generally expencive.




Only now in the history of fishing in the United States has an atmosphere of fishing just for the thrill of the fight has become the dominate view of those fishing today In the past you fished to eat, not for the sport, that idea popular with turn of the century era President and avid sportsman Teddy Roosevelt who was keen to enjoy the outdoors this was well written about in the press and generated much interest in search of sport. He so loved the outdoors he establish the National parks as we know them today.

Still you hear people say to you " why the heck would you want to fish for carp--bony things aren’t worth eating fish.” Old attitudes diehard. As you develop as an angler eventually the logic of why you fish kicks in with years of personal catch experience, even average size carp give the fight of a lifetime with many long drag smoking runs, isn’t that the point of fishing?

...enter the growth of Carp fishing over the last 15 years

[Phil Lilley]

Mocarp... you're one of the "old guard" here on the forum. Missed seeing you around.

I'd be glad to help with your login and get you back to your old account and screen name.

Phil

[Phil Lilley]

Heaven forbid the Branson Airport ever catches on and gets consistant late evening flights...Wahhhhh Im in the flyway. Sounds like life to me. I can think of worse things to complain about.

We are too (in the flight path) ... I like seeing them fly in with all those people who want to spend money here in town. I don't mind it.

Sorry- didn't mean to change the subject...

On the subject- I like the idea bringing in new groups that, again, spend money in our community.

[Jerry Rapp]

Johnny and the bow fishermen are trying to grow the sport. As someone said above, it is public water.

[FRENZEL]

Phil that was my meaning by that airport comment too..(just a comparison) I could complain about the noise but then again those jets are bringing people and $$ to the area and helping to keep our local economy strong. Less people = less work and less$$.. Take the tourism away and that would be something to complain about! Same view I have on the Bowfishing tourney.. I say Bring em in once a year! ..

We should count our blessings and just be glad we arent lined with sea walls and bars or famous for drunken rafts of hundreds of boats. The loud nights are the exception and not the rule.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Hey Harry, long time no see, you still in Texas? Just had a couple of PM's with JimM.

[Sore Thumbs]

I would do almost anything to live on the lake or have a lake house. I could tolerate something like that for a few days when the rest of the year is bliss. I thought those guys donated fish to some charity? Surely they dont just dump them.

[Phil Lilley]

Turtle farm. Turtles are eating good tonight.

[MrTwisters]

hey wayne pm on the way no im back in carthage