Meramec River Shooting

[1969Larson]

Buying land on a creek comes with inherent risks and some things that are out of your control. Among them are floods, the creek drying up, floaters, etc. You should know this when you buy the land. Just because the land behind me is nice and quiet now and I can enjoy sitting out on my deck doesn't mean I can complain when a developer puts a subdivision behind me or a supercenter. If I didn't want that I could have a) not bought this property at all, bought ALL the property behind me, c) showed up at a planning and zoning meeting to plead my case which is likely just a waste of time.

If protecting the serenity of this theoretical family's gravel bar is that important to them, then THEY should have bought that farm to keep the outfitter away. If they can't figure out how buy that farm and the next, then maybe they can't afford what they wish they could.

[ness]

I know I'm beating a dead horse, and this will be my last post on this topic: when people are acting like azzholes, and they come across another azzhole, the law doesn't freakin' matter. Right or wrong; Elder or Decour; navigable or not; high water mark; purple paint; keep out signs; easements; fishermen's rights; the government; how big Ed is ... nothing freakin' matters. What matters is how you act at that moment.

Crocker asks nicely and the cousins calm down and say ok, and Dart is back home Sunday night.

You with the bad azz mentality and the ones that feel the need to have guns for protection ARE the problem.

[KCRIVERRAT]

There's a reason the guy didn't draw on us on Shoal. No need to bring that incident into this.

[Terrierman]

I know I'm beating a dead horse, and this will be my last post on this topic: when people are acting like azzholes, and they come across another azzhole, the law doesn't freakin' matter. Right or wrong; Elder or Decour; navigable or not; high water mark; purple paint; keep out signs; easements; fishermen's rights; the government; how big Ed is ... nothing freakin' matters. What matters is how you act at that moment.

Crocker asks nicely and the cousins calm down and say ok, and Dart is back home Sunday night.

You with the bad azz mentality and the ones that feel the need to have guns for protection ARE the problem.

It's not going to be the popular position but you are correct sir. Even if Ed has a tattoo.

[Terrierman]

Buying land on a creek comes with inherent risks and some things that are out of your control. Among them are floods, the creek drying up, floaters, etc. You should know this when you buy the land. Just because the land behind me is nice and quiet now and I can enjoy sitting out on my deck doesn't mean I can complain when a developer puts a subdivision behind me or a supercenter. If I didn't want that I could have a) not bought this property at all, bought ALL the property behind me, c) showed up at a planning and zoning meeting to plead my case which is likely just a waste of time.

If protecting the serenity of this theoretical family's gravel bar is that important to them, then THEY should have bought that farm to keep the outfitter away. If they can't figure out how buy that farm and the next, then maybe they can't afford what they wish they could.

One other option is to buy in a nice developed area with good neighbors. Which is what I did.

If you are going to buy raw land and want privacy, buy a buffer too.

[Greasy B]

In my single float fishing landowner confrontation in thirty plus years the landowner did have a gun in his hand but he kept it out of sight. My brother and I were only armed with fishing rods and civility. After a brief conversation we each understood the others plight and what started as a very tense situation ended with a mutual respect and a polite send off. There was no desire from either of us to out azz hole each other.

[strangercreek]

You with the bad azz mentality and the ones that feel the need to have guns for protection ARE the problem.

The ones with the bad azz mentality might be the problem, but a repsonsible, respectful, legal person carrying a gun for protection isn't the problem.

Crocker does not fall into the category (responsible, respectful, legal) by default simply because he fired a "warning shot" with bystanders around. That discredits him as someone that should be allowed to own a gun immediately. That is assuming the story is correct that he fired said warning shot(s). Either way I'm not defending him. The gun should have never been unholstered.

Safe gun owners aren't the problem, never have been

[1969Larson]

Oh, and if it were my gravel bar, during the summer I would remember how peaceful and quiet it is all winter. If a big loud group stopped, I'd invite them to dinner and cook 'em burgers... Betcha next summer they bring steaks when they float by.

[Justin Spencer]

, but a repsonsible, respectful, legal person carrying a gun for protection isn't the problem.

Only problem with that thinking is that sometimes things escalate and what started as some yelling back and forth leads to one guy coming at another, and if a gun is in the equation someone can end up dead. If the guy wasn't carrying the gun in the first place being a respectful and responsible person he most likely just walks away, nothing escalates and everyone is home eating dinner with their families. If you are somewhere that requires you to have a gun to feel safe you probably shouldn't be there.

[ness]

Oh, and if it were my gravel bar, during the summer I would remember how peaceful and quiet it is all winter. If a big loud group stopped, I'd invite them to dinner and cook 'em burgers... Betcha next summer they bring steaks when they float by.

I'm not commenting on this topic any more, so all I can say is ... where's the friggin thumbs-up avatar?