abkeenan Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I know what hypocrisy is. Is people who don't you to keep a bass and thank it is alright to keep crappie or don't you to keep crappie but bass are alright and the ones that want every striper in there lake kept and killed. We all that fish have a bit of hypocrisy. The same people who don't want you to keep bass will take one off the nest and take it sometimes miles to a weight in and thank it is alright. I have not kept a bass in years, but the mdc says you can keep 5 (I thank) they say you can keep 15 crappie. They should know what the lake will produce. JMHO It's 6 per day. dtrs5kprs 1
dtrs5kprs Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I'm sure it does. But it's nothing like it was when I was fishing back in the 70's and early 80's. I don't doubt that a bit. Lots of population growth and increased pressure since then. We've lost a lot of cover too, especially the big bushy cedars. Took my son down into one of the creeks that still has some and he was shocked to see the cedars. Tried to explain they used to be all over the creeks and pockets. Chief Grey Bear 1
mjk86 Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Indeed. There is a fine difference in the definition of renewable if it takes years to grow another one. Might be different if stocked, as with walleye and slick fish. They get replaced by the truck load. Walleye and trout also take years to grow to record size, regardless if they were stocked or naturally recruited. Correct that it takes years to grow one, thankfully a 50000 acre reservoir such as table rock is growing hundreds of millions at the same time!! Natural recruitment of bass puts more "truck loads" of bass than any actual truck stocking fingerlings. Table rock is fully stocked to the brim every may with fresh new bass. You really really really underestimate how many bass are in table rock, which is quite surprising considering how many of them you catch. Ham 1
Members Crappie_Fisherman Posted June 18, 2015 Members Posted June 18, 2015 On the crappie I do wonder if it has just been tougher to catch them. Maybe? Is it possible that since most everyone (including myself) mainly crappie fishes in April when it's easy, and that because it was just a tough spring for whatever reason that the population is in fact thriving and a problem doesn't exist at all? Just because the weren't in 2' of water and going nuts may not be the best indicator. Probably not the case but possible. How did the winter crappie guys do? That would be a more accurate picture I'd think. I fish the James River Arm in the spring to get my 10 crappie meal for the year out of Table Rock. Last year those 10 were in about 3' of water. This year I couldn't find fish shallower than 15'. This year the bite definitely seemed different....
Chief Grey Bear Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I don't doubt that a bit. Lots of population growth and increased pressure since then. We've lost a lot of cover too, especially the big bushy cedars. Took my son down into one of the creeks that still has some and he was shocked to see the cedars. Tried to explain they used to be all over the creeks and pockets. Can't disagree with any of this. Especially the population growth. That is where I point my finger. Just how well do we think those septic systems work on that very thin soiled ground! I don't even think the lake is the same color it used to be. dtrs5kprs 1 Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
dtrs5kprs Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Dont forget that your also not cool with people posting pictures of fish that they intend to keep, well at least pike/bass. That is actually pretty consistent with my position. I don't keep any fish, and am not a fan of filet table pics. Shoot, I've even fizzed white bass after catching them on a spoon, to give them a chance.
abkeenan Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Walleye and trout also take years to grow to record size, regardless if they were stocked or naturally recruited. Correct that it takes years to grow one, thankfully a 50000 acre reservoir such as table rock is growing hundreds of millions at the same time!! Natural recruitment of bass puts more "truck loads" of bass than any actual truck stocking fingerlings. Table rock is fully stocked to the brim every may with fresh new bass. You really really really underestimate how many bass are in table rock, which is quite surprising considering how many of them you catch. All these figures you spit out are not backed by any sort of factual information from the MDC. Hundreds of millions? Seriously? Crappie_Fisherman 1
dtrs5kprs Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Can't disagree with any of this. Especially the population growth. That is where I point my finger. Just how well do we think those septic systems work on that very thin soiled ground! I don't even think the lake is the same color it used to be. Not sure on the septic issue. Terrierman could provide good info on that. He is one of a couple of folks I know in that business and they try very hard to maintain high standards. Just the sheer numbers of people in the area and using the lake have made an impact. So has the quality of equipment, and the availability of better gear to more fishermen. Have a dear friend who was a big local stick when he lived in the area, his top of the line pro boat back then would amount to a Tracker with a 60hp now. Makes a difference, makes things more fragile, requires better stewardship. And you are spot on, the color has definitely changed in places. The water around Kimberling has much more color than it did when I started fishing the lake in '96. More green tint, often cloudy.
mjk86 Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 All these figures you spit out are not backed by any sort of factual information from the MDC. Hundreds of millions? Seriously? obviously hundreds of millions was an exaggeration...i tried to make the number large enough for that to be obvious...one hundred BILLION dollars i mean bass sorry.. THat said...you CANNOT deny that bass spawn incredibly successful at table rock. I catch more of them than bluegill, they are freaking everywhere. Its like someone on reelfoot complaining that a few weekend anglers are gonna catch all the crappie outta there. Its ridiculous and defeats the point of this site. I personally like hearing fishing reports they are great, the more the better. Im sure people dont post there reports on here cuz they are afraid of being yelled at.
dtrs5kprs Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 obviously hundreds of millions was an exaggeration...i tried to make the number large enough for that to be obvious...one hundred BILLION dollars i mean bass sorry.. THat said...you CANNOT deny that bass spawn incredibly successful at table rock. I catch more of them than bluegill, they are freaking everywhere. Its like someone on reelfoot complaining that a few weekend anglers are gonna catch all the crappie outta there. Its ridiculous and defeats the point of this site. I personally like hearing fishing reports they are great, the more the better. Im sure people dont post there reports on here cuz they are afraid of being yelled at. Or increasingly because they are concerned about the welfare of the fish.
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