MDC Public Comment Meetings -New SMB Regs

[oneshot]

The LEGAL consumption of fish/game for sustainability is no bargain.   

License, tackle, baits, ammo, fuel, ect.  

If a person is truly providing their family diet from the woods and streams then they are either unlawful or stupid.  Because it costs more to legally harvest game than it costs to buy healthy food.    

Interesting live on the river. Get bait after a rain. Rod and Reels last many years. Go fishing on the river couple times a week and usually plenty of fish. Killed 3 Deer with same Arrow last year and using it this year. Archery Tag cost $20, 2 Deer and 2 Turkeys. Sighted my rifle in, never shoot it other than to kill Game, Reloaded Bullet cost maybe .50. Do buy Any Deer Tag and couple Antlerless Tags Twenty some dollars. Kill Hogs and pick up Road Kill Deer given to us by MDC, no Tags needed. Have did many combination Hunt and Fish outings.

Plus we eat several things most stick their nose up to.

Obviously you have not been around my wife that refused to let me have more Bullets with 3 Bullets and 2 Deer Tags.

Was raised by people that were very much more frugal than me.

oneshot

[fishinwrench]

OK, so MDC gave you a deer,  that should offset the shortage of smallmouth in your diet.  

I'm just ribbin' ya, Oneshot.   I like you and I'm not upset if you eat a few Smallies.  I know that if the day came that smallmouth were in danger you'd choose not to eat them until populations were restored.

Besides, people like you that eat regularly from a stream are (or should be) the greatest and most diligent friends that a river can have when it comes to pollution and over use of the waterways.  Do you see problems with the use of the NIANGUA, and is your voice heard as loudly regarding THAT as it is in regards to gay folk who effect you none whatsoever ?

[oneshot]

 

Exactly!   Many rural economies depend on rural visitors.  Sometimes it's direct transactions like shuttles, campgrounds and firewood, other times it's for indirect benefits like  SNAP, WIC and unemployment benefits, heating/cooling benefits, school breakfast/lunch programs, ag benefits, rural fire department grants, infrastructure maintenance and improvements (roads, bridges, sewage treatment plants, etc). 

Urban residents don't owe rural residents a thing.   Changing fishing regs isn't akin to coming into their house and cutting off their supply of food- because it was never their supply of food to begin with.  Doesn't matter how close they live to the stream nor for how long- fish and wildlife are a resource owned by everyone.  If most anglers want quality smallmouth fisheries, they shouldn't be held hostage by a group of locals claiming authority they don't have. 

No one MUST eat fish in order to survive, and perhaps if I had never been to the Ozarks and didn't know the #1 condiment for fish is Crisco, I'd be a little more sympathetic to the health and well-being argument. 

Welp I'm Retired getting Union Pension, fixed income and yes we depend on Meat we get from the Woods and Streams. Never Poach but never turn our nose to anything that most would. as matter fact just had our name put on list for Road Kill Deer. Oh My Free Deer! Well we do go get it, clean it and package it. Funny had a Young Agent thinking I was breaking a Law because he had never dealt with anyone killing a Common Snapping Turtle and actually going to eat it.

Ok just a couple of changes mainly made by Urbans Smallmouth lengths and limits and Antler Restrictions on Deer, both geared because they want Trophies, not food. Same goes for Timber and Water management which they know very little about compared to the people that have been taking care of it for the last hundred years.

Most from the Urbans come few times a year and wanting things to change to what they are leaving behind. Like just today we was talking about the fact people coming in wanting Roads paved, so county puts down Chip and Seal . Then are unable to maintain it, so they patch it making it much worse than when it was gravel.

Fire Department paid with my Taxes. Water I pay each month same as people in the city, if I didn't would have drilled Well and have to maintain it. Septic built and maintain our own system. Heat we do get free Firewood where we can but have to cut and haul it, most is clean up work. Our road is Private so it is up to us to maintain it, not the county. As far as Urban benefits seems they get far more which they never raise a finger to receive.

oneshot

[oneshot]

Well.....homosexuals don't like being told what they can't do either.   

All we know about the word of God is what is written in the bible, and the ones that did the writing were way more twisted than ANY homosexual I've ever met.    

Ya know why sheep herders wore robes ?   Because sheep can hear a zipper a mile away.

Sounds like someone that knows from experience concerning Sheep.

oneshot

[oneshot]

OK, so MDC gave you a deer,  that should offset the shortage of smallmouth in your diet.  

I'm just ribbin' ya, Oneshot.   I like you and I'm not upset if you eat a few Smallies.  I know that if the day came that smallmouth were in danger you'd choose not to eat them until populations were restored.

Besides, people like you that eat regularly from a stream are (or should be) the greatest and most diligent friends that a river can have when it comes to pollution and over use of the waterways.  Do you see problems with the use of the NIANGUA, and is your voice heard as loudly regarding THAT as it is in regards to gay folk who effect you none whatsoever ?

As far as use of the river same as several have Rafts Rented during the Summer but yes it is getting far more crowded than in the '60's. Still consider the stop of Gravel Mining a mistake and trying to stop the burning of woods the same. Deeper holes in the river and more browse for Deer and Game.

Far as homosexuals know many, had some stay with us. Let them know how I feel about their lifestyle and leave it at that. Did take a Girl out hunting for a week that lived this way, got along fine. Years ago had one try to push his thoughts on me which got him in trouble very fast, never tried it again.

Only been living where we are for last two years. My Son told me people here are not like what I'm use to. Got people from St. Louis with St. Louis frame of mind, then there is me Hillbilly ways and I'm way too old to try to change but that is just the way with both.

oneshot

[oneshot]

Truth I clicked on the Bell for Messages and thought these were PM's didn't realize that I was answering on the Forum. Oh well don't matter pretty open on Forum, PM or to your face, don't have to hide my feelings on things.

 

oneshot

[fishinwrench]

Sounds like someone that knows from experience concerning Sheep.

oneshot

Naw, it's in the bible.   "Thou shalt not hide thy weiner behind grappling bits of steel".     

Speaking of which....Why does God have a Weiner ?  Adam was created in gods image, complete with a Weiner, so therefore God must be packin'.   

[SpoonDog]

 

Ok just a couple of changes mainly made by Urbans Smallmouth lengths and limits and Antler Restrictions on Deer, both geared because they want Trophies, not food. Same goes for Timber and Water management which they know very little about compared to the people that have been taking care of it for the last hundred years.

Most from the Urbans come few times a year and wanting things to change to what they are leaving behind. Like just today we was talking about the fact people coming in wanting Roads paved, so county puts down Chip and Seal . Then are unable to maintain it, so they patch it making it much worse than when it was gravel.

Fire Department paid with my Taxes. Water I pay each month same as people in the city, if I didn't would have drilled Well and have to maintain it. Septic built and maintain our own system. Heat we do get free Firewood where we can but have to cut and haul it, most is clean up work. Our road is Private so it is up to us to maintain it, not the county. As far as Urban benefits seems they get far more which they never raise a finger to receive.

oneshot

Antler-point restrictions only target bucks, they exclude button bucks, and they don't even apply to most counties in the Ozarks.  If you live in the Ozarks and you're worried about hunting for food, antler-point restrictions have absolutely zero affect on your life.  Same with smallmouth regs- you still get to kill smallies, just not as many.  And suckers, gar, largemouth, spots, rainbow trout, brown trout, drum, catfish, walleye, sauger, white bass, longears, bluegill, crappie, frogs, turtles, redear, warmouth, common carp, buffalo, and other species are still on the table.  

If anything I have to wonder whether the ability to trace one's ancestry 100 years or more through the Ozarks isn't evidence folks weren't living off the land- considering big game animals like deer and turkey were absent on the landscape for substantial periods of time.  Much of the Ozarks was basically unsettled until the railroads punched through the highlands- a little more than a century ago.

Never heard of an urban resident so irate at the condition of a county road they travel a few times a year that they'd call up the county commissioner.  Never heard of a county commissioner greenlighting road improvements because of urban residents.  Never heard of county commissioners particularly concerned with the sentiment of urban residents- makes sense, given many are elected positions and urban residents aren't their consituency.  Not sure it is a matter of fact, and I'd wager your private road goes from your doorstep to some arterial someone else is chipping in to maintain.  Similarly, MDC awards grants to rural fire departments - funds everyone pays into, not just those in the local community. 

 

All of that misses the point, though- they aren't locals' smallmouth, and it isn't up to locals to decide what happens to them. 

[oneshot]

 

Antler-point restrictions only target bucks, they exclude button bucks, and they don't even apply to most counties in the Ozarks.  If you live in the Ozarks and you're worried about hunting for food, antler-point restrictions have absolutely zero affect on your life.  Same with smallmouth regs- you still get to kill smallies, just not as many.  And suckers, gar, largemouth, spots, rainbow trout, brown trout, drum, catfish, walleye, sauger, white bass, longears, bluegill, crappie, frogs, turtles, redear, warmouth, common carp, buffalo, and other species are still on the table.  

If anything I have to wonder whether the ability to trace one's ancestry 100 years or more through the Ozarks isn't evidence folks weren't living off the land- considering big game animals like deer and turkey were absent on the landscape for substantial periods of time.  Much of the Ozarks was basically unsettled until the railroads punched through the highlands- a little more than a century ago.

Never heard of an urban resident so irate at the condition of a county road they travel a few times a year that they'd call up the county commissioner.  Never heard of a county commissioner greenlighting road improvements because of urban residents.  Never heard of county commissioners particularly concerned with the sentiment of urban residents- makes sense, given many are elected positions and urban residents aren't their consituency.  Not sure it is a matter of fact, and I'd wager your private road goes from your doorstep to some arterial someone else is chipping in to maintain.  Similarly, MDC awards grants to rural fire departments - funds everyone pays into, not just those in the local community. 

 

All of that misses the point, though- they aren't locals' smallmouth, and it isn't up to locals to decide what happens to them. 

Well AR pertain to Bucks having at least 4 points on one side and yes true don't pertain to most the areas I hunt but sure as time goes by they will decide we need them.

As far as Smallies they are not looking to change regulations by me but give them time. As far as the other varieties of fish you mentioned they can't be found in the river here. In all these years I have only caught one Channel Catfish. Mostly Suckers, Goggle Eye, Rainbow and Brown Trout and Smallmouth Bass. As far as Bull Frogs you will not hear one around here because of another of MDC's better ideas of releasing Otters in the area.

My family settled the area after the Civil War in 1873 along with their former Slaves. Traced my family all the way back to southern France.

Had several being bused from Float Trips being very upset with the gravel roads and dust. and yes County Commissioner vowed  to pave all the gravel roads which never happen because of money.

Yes the State Highway is paid for upkeep by the State which I'm sure I pay my share just as you do. By no means am I not paying my share. As I pay my share on the Private road going to the Highway.Just it comes directly out of my Pocket instead of Taxes. Unlike probably the road by your house.

And yes our County Taxes pay into our Membership into Local Rural Fire Department unlike many other counties where yearly Dues are paid by each resident to the Local Rural Fire Department and yes I am sure the MDC does pay into the Rural Fire Departments because the Rural Fire Departments to help them put out fires in the area.

And seems the point is you just don't really have any idea what goes on. So how could I expect you to have any idea what goes on with the river.

Rockpile

[fishinwrench]

Well just in case you missed the memo, smallmouth take forever to grow, so if you rely on them for food you'll soon eat yourself out of food for a long LONG time.  They ain't like chickens.  

If there are so many otters ..    Eat THEM.

 

Quit bullshitting.  You fish/hunt because you enjoy it, not because you need food.    There are way easier/cheaper ways to feed yourself than fishing and hunting. Nothing wrong with an occasional fish fry, but let's get real here.