The Oregon Standoff

[Old plug]

The news media is dead sent on reporting every word then interperting and applying there own version of the incident. 

[Flysmallie]

12 minutes ago, Old plug said:

The news media is dead sent on reporting every word then interperting and applying there own version of the incident. 

That is problem #1 in our country.

[Mitch f]

4 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

That is problem #1 in our country.

Totally agree, they are trying to twist the outcome of the November election on both sides so bad. I guess Edward R Murrow was the last of the Mohicans.

[Mark]

If only they had married 13 year old girls for their 8th wife, they would all probably be safe from the law.

[Kayak_Runner]

1 hour ago, fishinwrench said:

I listened to two live streams for awhile last night.  I'd say it isn't over quite yet.  

There appears to be two kinds of people involved.  One group of morons who just want to fight about ANYTHING.  And another group who seems pretty intelligent and still feels that the feds have acted unconstitutionally from the start.  

The media appears to be dead set on only reporting the actions/words of the crazy idiots.    Somewhere at the bottom of this is probably just cause, but a bunch of radical knuckleheads are going to prevent any good coming from any of it.

Just about the entire Malheur Standoff is occupied by the wrong people claiming to defend the Hammonds from "persecution" by the feds. 

These guys (The Hammonds) poached deer on federal land, burned the ground to cover it up and characterized their actions as a weed control fire that got out of hand (plus the "backburn" they did in 06, defying a burn ban that was in place for a reason)..... their long standing feud with the gov'ment/BLM is someone crying about not getting their way with something that doesn't belong solely to them. If what they say about the revocation of their grazing permit is true.... that it was arbitrarily done and restricted their water access, then maybe they have a leg to stand on.....but I'm doubtful, they haven't shown anything but contempt for the land for their own use.   

 

[Old plug]

Intelligence does not mean anything but attitude sure does. If you have the wrong attitude you will use your intelligence in the wrong way. i think that is whatvwe do mostly in this country. 

[SpoonDog]

 

 

 

....The Media!

Which media are we talking about- the folks who say these guys are yokels or the folks who say they're "patriots?" 

Maybe it's just me and I lack the imagination necessary to envision a wide-ranging media campaign against a handful of dirt farmers.  Or maybe it's that these guys are so dang adept at self-reporting.  They are not shy about taking to YouTube and dumping whatever ponderous, half-baked excuse they feel justifies their actions on a near-daily basis.  You can't blame "The Media" for that.  If the media's twisting these folks' intent it can easily be verified, provided you're willing to sit through 10-15 minutes of hemming and hawing before they actually get to anything resembling a cogent point. 

Look, it wasn't NBC execs knocking down fences and it wasn't Megyn Kelley rifling through gov't documents and Indian artifacts.  An armed militia group took over and occupied a federal wildlife refuge for nearly a month and you guys are upset "The Media" didn't do an adequate job polishing that turd?  I don't know that the problem is the media covering Ammon Bundy's actions so much as it's Ammon Bundy's actions. 

If I were gonna argue one issue or another was the #1 thing wrong with this country it'd be grownups allergic reaction to taking responsibility for their own actions.  Or maybe the idea that any ideology, no matter how unhinged from reality, is legitimate just because someone's dumb enough to believe it.  But media would be way down on that list.

[Terrierman]

Without trying to be too much of a smart aleck, I'm grateful that so far, only one of those yahoos felt like dying to prove his point. I sincerely hope he's the only one and the rest of those guys go to jail peacefully. But should they choose otherwise, I'm also grateful that the FBI has a bunch of guys who are really good shots.

[SpoonDog]

12 hours ago, Terrierman said:

Without trying to be too much of a smart aleck, I'm grateful that so far, only one of those yahoos felt like dying to prove his point. I sincerely hope he's the only one and the rest of those guys go to jail peacefully. But should they choose otherwise, I'm also grateful that the FBI has a bunch of guys who are really good shots.

I feel bad for the guy who's dead, I feel worse for the 11 kids he leaves behind.  At the same time if the things he said in interviews are true, he never planned on handing control back to the feds and walking out of there, or going to prison.  I can't imagine what other rational option was on the table, but then again you can't rationalize irrational behavior.

[Terrierman]

Its weird how a person who seems to otherwise be a pretty admirable guy (fostered something like 51 kids over the years!) winds up taking such a radical position as what he did.