Busted

[Mitch f]

33 minutes ago, ness said:

Right after I type the period at the end of this sentence I'm not longer participating in this thread.

Not participating still includes reading?

[Brian Jones]

1 hour ago, mjk86 said:

Yup...the black lives matter protests of the past 2 years is absolutely equivalent to the 100 years of torture, rape, murder, and slavery....Yup...totally equivalent. 

Yup......  And no one living today ever owned a slave or was a slave......Yup..........

Rape and murder??  Yup........  The fault of mean ol' whitey also..............  Especially in the inner city where all the Caucasians live................... Yup.................

[ness]

50 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Not participating still includes reading?

 

[hoglaw]

On ‎4‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 10:33 AM, Brian Jones said:

 

And that was just as wrong and unlawful as the antics of this black lives matter bunch.  The difference between the two is that one was eventually prosecuted, and shattered into several smaller groups that are about as vicious as a 15 year old Chihuahua with no teeth.  And the other, well.....................................................

My apologies for derailing this thread even further.  

Can you help me understand how lynching black people is "just as wrong and ulawful" as anything that anyone affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement has done?  I'm pretty busy so I don't pay as much attention to the news as I should, but specifically what acts are you referring to that are equivalent to racially based murder?

[LarrySTL]

An interesting thread.  Some of the posts, basically the "society is going to h#%& " ones remind me of my grandmothers.  Now thats going back a few years as one of them died in 1972 and the other died a few years before that.

My mom's mother lived out west and was a Republican.   Capital R.  She literally thought that FDR was a communist and if you anybody mentioned an elected official who was a Democrat, if she was outside she would spit.  Literally.  And then give a short blast of "THATS what all those communists in that party are worth.  Warm spit".  She despised unions almost as vehemently.  She was not particularly religious.

My father's mother lived in Jefferson County.  She, and most of my father's relatives, were Democrats, and my grandfather was a union railroad worker.. This grandmother seemed like a nice TV sitcom grandmother when I was very young, because she lived "in the country" and she baked lots of good pies.  When I was little that was enough to win me over.  As I got a little older I realized she was Very Religious, the kind of religious that took pleasure in loudly telling other people that they were sinners and were going to "burn in hell for eternity".  If you cussed, just once, even saying "dam*" within earshot, you got threatened with "burn in hell for eternity".   I forget what religious denomination she was, but it was one of the mainstream protestant ones, methodist or baptist or something, and if you were not religious, or were not that exact one branch of the protestant religions, you were going to ...guess what ?  Yep, burn in hell for eternity.   Now if you were Catholic that was a lot worse ( I guess you were going to burn for longer than eternity).  Jews were worse than that.   Then there were the african americans, and somewhere perhaps even lower on the scorecard were people who drank.   You didn't have to be alcoholic; one drink, one time, and...yeppp.....you got it... you-know-what for all eternity.

By the time I was high school if both grandmothers were around you could feel the venom and the tension.  And then the Beatles happened.  And Vietnam, And the anti-war protests, and the Civil Rights movement. By then I sometimes wondered, in my long haired chemically induced haze, what special section of hell she was booking rooms in for those folks and for me.

Certain aspects of this thread remind me of them.  Go figure.

 

[Mitch f]

8 hours ago, LarrySTL said:

An interesting thread.  Some of the posts, basically the "society is going to h#%& " ones remind me of my grandmothers.  Now thats going back a few years as one of them died in 1972 and the other died a few years before that.

My mom's mother lived out west and was a Republican.   Capital R.  She literally thought that FDR was a communist and if you anybody mentioned an elected official who was a Democrat, if she was outside she would spit.  Literally.  And then give a short blast of "THATS what all those communists in that party are worth.  Warm spit".  She despised unions almost as vehemently.  She was not particularly religious.

My father's mother lived in Jefferson County.  She, and most of my father's relatives, were Democrats, and my grandfather was a union railroad worker.. This grandmother seemed like a nice TV sitcom grandmother when I was very young, because she lived "in the country" and she baked lots of good pies.  When I was little that was enough to win me over.  As I got a little older I realized she was Very Religious, the kind of religious that took pleasure in loudly telling other people that they were sinners and were going to "burn in hell for eternity".  If you cussed, just once, even saying "dam*" within earshot, you got threatened with "burn in hell for eternity".   I forget what religious denomination she was, but it was one of the mainstream protestant ones, methodist or baptist or something, and if you were not religious, or were not that exact one branch of the protestant religions, you were going to ...guess what ?  Yep, burn in hell for eternity.   Now if you were Catholic that was a lot worse ( I guess you were going to burn for longer than eternity).  Jews were worse than that.   Then there were the african americans, and somewhere perhaps even lower on the scorecard were people who drank.   You didn't have to be alcoholic; one drink, one time, and...yeppp.....you got it... you-know-what for all eternity.

By the time I was high school if both grandmothers were around you could feel the venom and the tension.  And then the Beatles happened.  And Vietnam, And the anti-war protests, and the Civil Rights movement. By then I sometimes wondered, in my long haired chemically induced haze, what special section of hell she was booking rooms in for those folks and for me.

Certain aspects of this thread remind me of them.  Go figure.

 

I hear ya Larry, but  like I've always said, the pendulum always swings too far the other way. Now we've got men in women's bathrooms. Now people are offended by everything. The PC culture has manifested itself into a monster.

 

[Old plug]

I have always believed you cannot judge another mans actions unless you walk a mile in his shoes. You see it helps you feel what he feels. Pain passes from one generation to the next. I have related my own on here about my mother and father and coal mines and dress manufacturing shops.  What happens in the past to you and yours is something that will burn in your sole. How would you feel if you fought in WW2 then came home and was told to  get your butt on the baxk of the bus or got arrested for drinking out of the wrong fountain. I know if it was me I would feel nothing but a terrible inner rage. That rage will rub off as it has on the next generation to come. My whole life I have been suspecious of bussiness and labor relationships. NO I am not a union supporter. Both are the national kings of greed. It is up to each and everyone of us no matter what we are or who to do this. Its a real mess this world we live in. I had a ticket to the bus out of this world a few days ago and it left without me. After reading this thread it makes   iIt makes me sort of sorry I missed catching the bus.

[SpoonDog]

This is why eyes roll every time "PC Culture" is invoked.  A kid's far more likely to be assaulted by dad, stepdad, uncle, cousin, neighbor, coach, teacher, or priest than a man in a dress in the ladies' room.  In my own life experience I've known folks who were assaulted by family members, friends, supervisors, teachers, coaches.  I don't know of anyone who's been assaulted by transgendered folks.   Just last week I was reading about Willmore Park.  ,  since January 30+ men, mostly married, in what's probably the whitest part of St. Louis city, have been cited for public indecency, prostitution, etc.  I played there as a kid.  My sister played soccer there.  While we've been gnashing our teeth about the infinitesimally small chances a guy in a dress is gonna assault someone in the ladies' room some of those arrested plead to minor charges, pay a fine, and are back out on the street.  But hey, they're doing it in the bathroom which corresponds with their birth certificate.

It has nothing to do with political correctness- if we're willing to accept the risks posed by us folks in the "normal" demographic, then there's no need for legislation protecting us from the infinitesimally smaller risk posed by transgendered folks.  At best these bathroom bills are designed to assuage the misinformation and irrational fear one group of folks holds against another. 

 

Rant over.

[Mitch f]

7 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

This is why eyes roll every time "PC Culture" is invoked.  A kid's far more likely to be assaulted by dad, stepdad, uncle, cousin, neighbor, coach, teacher, or priest than a man in a dress in the ladies' room.  In my own life experience I've known folks who were assaulted by family members, friends, supervisors, teachers, coaches.  I don't know of anyone who's been assaulted by transgendered folks.   Just last week I was reading about Willmore Park.  ,  since January 30+ men, mostly married, in what's probably the whitest part of St. Louis city, have been cited for public indecency, prostitution, etc.  I played there as a kid.  My sister played soccer there.  While we've been gnashing our teeth about the infinitesimally small chances a guy in a dress is gonna assault someone in the ladies' room some of those arrested plead to minor charges, pay a fine, and are back out on the street.  But hey, they're doing it in the bathroom which corresponds with their birth certificate.

It has nothing to do with political correctness- if we're willing to accept the risks posed by us folks in the "normal" demographic, then there's no need for legislation protecting us from the infinitesimally smaller risk posed by transgendered folks.  At best these bathroom bills are designed to assuage the misinformation and irrational fear one group of folks holds against another. 

 

Rant over.

I don't disagree with you on this, it's way overblown.  

But as usual, it's about a small group of people demanding respect as a group by force. It's a mental disorder.

[Al Agnew]

Not sure I agree that it's by force.  They are asking to be treated with respect.  And while the whole thing kinda creeps me out a bit as a heterosexual male, I think I can understand where they are coming from.  Back in the 1960s when I was in high school, there was a kid in my class that I'm sure was transsexual.  He was the most effiminate guy by far that I've ever known.  He wasn't a homosexual, or at least he didn't seem to be attracted to boys, but you could just tell he thought of himself as a girl.  And he went through sheer torture for his whole high school time, and sorry to say, I was one of those who piled on.  It may be the single thing I feel most guilty about in my whole life--how badly I treated that person.  He was absolutely uncomfortable going into the boys' restroom.

So I think about him whenever this stuff comes up.  If allowing transgender people to go into the public restroom that fits their psyche and not their biology allows them to feel a little better about themselves, then it's a small price for the rest of us to pay.  After all, they and we will be doing their duty inside a stall anyway, where we don't have to see them and they don't have to worry about being examined.

Somebody on another message board posted something to the effect that "It's already happening," and talked about some guy getting arrested for video taping a little girl peeing.  Well, I'm pretty sure it's been illegal for a long time for a male or a female to videotape a little girl peeing in a public restroom, no matter what sex they think they are.  And there was nothing stopping a perverted guy from dressing up as a woman to go into the women's restroom and videotape whatever long before this stuff all hit the fan.