Number 11.

[MOPanfisher]

Lancer I don't disagree with what you say.  Although I may not have read it well enough I don't remember anyone mentioning carrying weapon as a God given right, but maybe it slipped past me.  This law did not change where you could carry a firearm, just that a permit is longer required, it hasn't allowed you to carry to a Cardinals game, or into a federal courthouse, or to be in posession of a firearm while intoxicated etc.  The lack of training is my single biggest concern with the whole thing.   I would absolutely love to see groups whether (ideally Law Enforcement) providing classes for the public whether they carry or not as to the legalities involved in use of a firearm, would like to see the cost be much lower or even free if the agency could swing a class a month or stretch it out untl say 25 people has signed up then hold a class, might be weekly, might be monthly whenever a set number have registered.  Many many folks are quite safe when handling and using a firearms, and very proficient with their use, however the legalities of when and why you can use one are a different story. 

[tho1mas]

I agree that training is needed especially the legal part. Why can't the state of Mo.  put an online course out that is free to all to help teach the legalities?

[SpoonDog]

The new law doesn't just mean you don't need a CCW permit, it liberalizes existing stand your ground & castle doctrine statutes.

My understanding is the new law allows almost any untrained individual to carry concealed- without ever having to demonstrate they're a responsible gun owner.  As respondible gun owners you guys seriously, sincerely that results in a safer society?

[jtram]

Look at all of Europe, then look at Switzerland. End of that argument.....

[SpoonDog]

the same Switzerland which requires CCW licenses, background checks, training, and purchasing guns through authorized dealers?  They're more liberal than the rest of Europe...and nowhere near the US.  

 

Many communities don't have enough cops as it is, especially those with the most serious crime issues.  Peeling officers off the streets to provide free training sounds like a waste of their training and our resources.  How important can a gun be to self-protection if you're unwilling to spend a couple hundred bucks for a license & training.  We're talking about protecting your life & your family, remember?!

 

and how one ensuring everyone out there with a gun knowing how to use it & understanding the responsibility isn't a part of protecting yourself & your family?

 

 

 

 

[lee G.]

jtram may have been referring to the Swiss army spoon

 

[jdmidwest]

The laws passed last week extended the Castle Doctrine to allow invited guests to defend your property also. 

Nothing really changed in the Castle Doctrine, no mention of an open season on criminals where you could walk down the street and start killing anyone legally. 

The Castle Doctrine has been in effect for 12 years now without much incidents, just like conceal carry. I am sure nothing will get any worse. 

[MOPanfisher]

It might be a case of which provides the biggest benefit to the public in general.  An officer who spends 8hrs a week/month providing education or patrolling a section of town where the population can spot a LE unit the second it appears.  If the choice is strictly enforcement over education then we need to pull out the DARE officers and put them on patrol also. I would much prefer to see private groups doing the training on proficiency but who do you want teaching the legalities and ramifications of firearms use.  I don't begrudge the money I paid to take the training and get my permit, or the $ I spent on my firearm, or $ spent on ammo and such that is one of my hobbies but not everyone has that luxury. 

[SpoonDog]

I'd argue injuring or killing innocent folks is more than "an incident."  And if we're concerned about what provides the biggest benefit to the public in general, I don't understand why we're discussing relaxing gun laws in the first place.  

 

After all, look at Switzerland.

[jdmidwest]

7 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

I'd argue injuring or killing innocent folks is more than "an incident."  And if we're concerned about what provides the biggest benefit to the public in general, I don't understand why we're discussing relaxing gun laws in the first place.  

 

After all, look at Switzerland.

We have been using Swiss law for 12 years and the gunfight at OK Corral has not happened here. I don' t think it will change now.