Baby trout?

[BilletHead]

45 minutes ago, Dylan Cluver said:

All rainbows east of california are non native. False. Oncorhynchus mykiss gairdneri 

         Thank you Dylan,

  Some of us know this and Tjm needs to do his research before reacting. The BilletHeads have caught  the Columbia River Redband  in the Yaak  Valley of North Western Montana. Go Native!

   BilletHead

 

[MOPanfisher]

I don't believe that LM bass have caused any species to go extinct.  Possibly extirpated from a specific and restricted area.

[Dylan Cluver]

41 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

         Thank you Dylan,

  Some of us know this and Tjm needs to do his research before reacting. The BilletHeads have caught  the Columbia River Redband  in the Yaak  Valley of North Western Montana. Go Native!

   BilletHead

 

I as well on the Coeur D'Alene

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, MOPanfisher said:

I don't believe that LM bass have caused any species to go extinct.  Possibly extirpated from a specific and restricted area.

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The Largemouth Bass (Micropterus salmoides) is a freshwater fish and a ... the native food web and may cause the extinction of native species.

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/species-especes/profiles-profils/largemouthbass-achigangrandebouche-eng.html

wrong LMB and Florida LMB are WELL documented to have in many locations particularly west of the rocky Mountains 

and rainbow trout are not native east of the rockies, and brown trout have caused the decimation on native brook trout in the east 

Chinese ringneck pheasants has displaced prairie chickens as well...invasive for one is a beloved quarry for others

[MOPanfisher]

Ok now, first you said they do cause extinctionss, then put up a quote about how they "may cause an extinction".  And now claim a " well documented" extinctions,  do tell what might one of these well documented extinctions be that largemouth bass have caused.

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, MOPanfisher said:

Ok now, first you said they do cause extinctionss, then put up a quote about how they "may cause an extinction".  And now claim a " well documented" extinctions,  do tell what might one of these well documented extinctions be that largemouth bass have caused.

I don't,,,, just the biologists, very few animals are list in absolutes they "may" be extinct, they don't want to have egg on their face when one or two show up, 

but you can count on them being rare or nonexistent, I am sure a few pup fish species in so-cal are gone munched on by bass...

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The largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides) is a freshwater gamefish in the Centrarchidae .... They have also been blamed for the extinction of the Atitlan Grebe, a large waterbird which once inhabited Lake Atitlan, Guatemala...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largemouth_bass

^ sorry but them little baby birds got munched out, bet a Grebe colored whopper plopper prob rocked there

[Johnsfolly]

21 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

The largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides) is a freshwater gamefish in the Centrarchidae .... They have also been blamed for the extinction of the Atitlan Grebe, a large waterbird which once inhabited Lake Atitlan, Guatemala...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largemouth_bass

^ sorry but them little baby birds got munched out, bet a Grebe colored whopper plopper prob rocked there

The decline of the Atitlán grebe began in 1958 and again in 1960 after smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieu) and largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides) were introduced into Lake Atitlán. These invasive species reduced the crabs and fish which the grebes depended on for food and the fish even killed the grebe chicks. The population of the Atitlán grebe declined from 200 individuals in 1960 to 80 in 1965. Thanks to the conservation efforts of Anne LaBastille, in 1966 a refuge was established where this species was able to rebound. The population recovered to 210 in 1973. Unfortunately after the 1976 Guatemala earthquake, the lake bed fractured. An underwater drain led to a fall of the water level and to a further severe decrease of the number of grebes. In 1983 only 32 individuals were left, of which the largest part were hybrids with the pied-billed grebe. The last two birds were seen in 1989, and after they disappeared the Atitlán grebe was declared officially extinct.

Bass "may" have contributed to the extinction of this bird, but there was a series of events that contributed as well. Should have bass been introduced into this environment, no they should not have, however it seemed that this bird was on a knife's edge. If that quake occurred in 1958 the population could have been wiped out then.

[MOPanfisher]

Johnsfolly, how dare you introduce actual science into Mocarps argument.  How can we keep it going like that.  Most extinctions have multiple related causes that contribute to it, but hat takes away the whole base of the argument, so please stop it. 

[Johnsfolly]

Let's not just pick on bass. In Maryland blue catfish and flathead catfish are not to be released when caught. They get the same treatment here as snakeheads.

[MoCarp]

so your saying bass are not invasive and do not negatively impact "native species" holding you to stone on this before I go get the abstracts to counter