People Not Wanting To Work

[SpoonDog]

Once upon a time, the state legislature funded higher education.  Voters decided they want to stick it to those ivory tower nerds, and chose legislators who felt the same way.  The legislature reduced their allocations to higher ed, and the difference was made up through tuition and fees.

 

I don't think cutting staff, departments, and services is necessarily in the student's best interest.  I think allocations through the legislature would make it easier for students to pay for college.  I don't think further cuts benefit students, or teaching, or campuses.  We're not talking about cutting football and ROTC, just diversity initiatives and LGBTQ programs- because it isn't about economics or efficiency. 

Cutting money is just another way of sticking it to ivory tower nerds. It's ideological.

 

[Mitch f]

51 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

Once upon a time, the state legislature funded higher education.  Voters decided they want to stick it to those ivory tower nerds, and chose legislators who felt the same way.  The legislature reduced their allocations to higher ed, and the difference was made up through tuition and fees.

 

I don't think cutting staff, departments, and services is necessarily in the student's best interest.  I think allocations through the legislature would make it easier for students to pay for college.  I don't think further cuts benefit students, or teaching, or campuses.  We're not talking about cutting football and ROTC, just diversity initiatives and LGBTQ programs- because it isn't about economics or efficiency. 

Cutting money is just another way of sticking it to ivory tower nerds. It's ideological.

 

Something needs to be cut, the cost of education is outrageous. I don’t mind cutting football either. 

[Mitch f]

2 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

And football coaches! 

I get frustrated, too- all this technology to streamline bureaucracy, and it seems like they're the only one's hiring. 

Too often universities see students as a cash cow, but at least the programs Mitch highlights are directed toward student support.  I don't think university staff needs to spend any time manufacturing problems.  Women get harassed and assaulted on campus- maybe none of you had to walk a girl back to her car in the dark because some rando waits for her to get off her shift in the bookstore.  I think that qualifies as a problem.  Students drink themselves to death in dorm rooms, take nosedives off parking garages- to me, those are problems. If universities want to spend my hard-earned dollars hiring staff and developing programs to address these problems, I think it's a better investment than repainting the football field, or decorative brickwork on the quad. 

Working with a diverse group of folks is part of being competitive in today's job market, whether Mitch likes it or not.  Especially for positions requiring degrees.  It's easy to hire someone who gets along with everyone over someone who treats female colleagues like garbage.  You don't have to like it, or agree with it, or approve of their "lifestyle choice." If you can't act professionally toward your coworkers, there's someone else who can. 

So throwing dollars towards diversity programs will somehow stop women being harassed and assaulted?  Treating females like garbage?  Students drinking to excess? Their parents should've taught them better. These matters are for the campus police or local law enforcement, not some overly funded feel good program. 

[ColdWaterFshr]

4 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

So throwing dollars towards diversity programs will somehow stop women being harassed and assaulted?  Treating females like garbage?  Students drinking to excess? Their parents should've taught them better. These matters are for the campus police or local law enforcement, not some overly funded feel good program. 

Don't go to college.  These diversity programs and liberal professors will poison your mind.  There is a solution.  Homeschool!   🤣

[Mitch f]

6 minutes ago, ColdWaterFshr said:

Don't go to college.  These diversity programs and liberal professors will poison your mind.  There is a solution.  Homeschool!   🤣

Yep, My daughters can get a great English degree without being taught about Shakespeare (The greatest writer in English history BTW) ... because he was just another oppressive white male. 

[ColdWaterFshr]

15 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Yep, My daughters can get a great English degree without being taught about Shakespeare (The greatest writer in English history BTW) ... because he was just another oppressive white male. 

English degree?  What are they going to do with that??  Become a professor??  🤭

[SpoonDog]

1 hour ago, Mitch f said:

Something needs to be cut, the cost of education is outrageous. I don’t mind cutting football either. 

Cuts helped create the current system, Mitch.  As long as colleges are so reliant on tuition, they’re gonna have to offer all the bells and whistles needed to get butts in the seats.

 Don’t like it? Want cheaper tuition? Vote for folks that make funding secondary education a priority.  

Everyone wants cheap college, no one wants to pay for it.  Everyone wants to have their  cake and eat it, too.

 

[Mitch f]

11 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

Cuts helped create the current system, Mitch.  As long as colleges are so reliant on tuition, they’re gonna have to offer all the bells and whistles needed to get butts in the seats.

 Don’t like it? Want cheaper tuition? Vote for folks that make funding secondary education a priority.  

Everyone wants cheap college, no one wants to pay for it.  Everyone wants to have their  cake and eat it, too.

 

Your logic sounds good on the surface (as in all liberal ideas) but when tuition costs outpace inflation by a YYYUUUUUUUGE amount, someone has to stand back and say hmmmmmmmm

[Mitch f]

16 minutes ago, ColdWaterFshr said:

English degree?  What are they going to do with that??  Become a professor??  🤭

Just an example....no, I'm steering them away that type of degree.

[Quillback]

42 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Yep, My daughters can get a great English degree without being taught about Shakespeare (The greatest writer in English history BTW) ... because he was just another oppressive white male. 

No Shakespeare in college English?  Always thought that was a mainstay.

I remember being forced to read Merchant of Venice in high school.  My high school self would have been perfectly happy if Shakespeare had been expunged from the curriculum, man did I hate English class.