2013 and Up Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel ?

[Maverickpro201]

I am thinking about selling my 2012 1/2 Dodge Ram 3500 Laramie, dually, HO. It has more torque and HP than the standard 2012. was a special run in the 1/2 series'. Has a tuner, that has only been run on Stock and Tow modes and all the egr stuff fell off and I put that stuff in the shed. Never hotdogged. My question is what kind of mileage are the 2013 and up 2500 Ram Laramie, short beds, with the Cummins and DEF, getting stock. I ordered/bought my truck because it was the last with no DEF stuff. Has 130,000 miles so I would be looking for the same in a 2013 and up.

Just want to know mileage that you are getting on them? 

[MrGiggles]

15-17 average is what I would expect. 

I'd just keep your truck and leave the new stuff for someone else. That DEF BS is nothing but a headache.

[grizwilson]

What MrGiggles said:

World wide Urea shortage may be an issue for newer truck

Global Urea Shortage Could Park Diesel Trucks (msn.com)

 

[dblades]

 

 

10 hours ago, grizwilson said:

What MrGiggles said:

World wide Urea shortage may be an issue for newer truck

Global Urea Shortage Could Park Diesel Trucks (msn.com)

 

One of the reasons I plan on keeping my 2007 2500 Duramax.

[Terrierman]

I just drove my 2017 Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins to Las Vegas New Mexico and back.  Windy as all get out.  19.8 MPG for the 1660 or so miles.  No trouble at all so far with the truck @ 90 K miles.  All of those semi trucks you see on the road now use DEF.  So does farm equipment.  Don't be afraid to do something to help your grandchildren breathe some decent air.

[MrGiggles]

24 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

I just drove my 2017 Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins to Las Vegas New Mexico and back.  Windy as all get out.  19.8 MPG for the 1660 or so miles.  No trouble at all so far with the truck @ 90 K miles.  All of those semi trucks you see on the road now use DEF.  So does farm equipment.  Don't be afraid to do something to help your grandchildren breathe some decent air.

Well they don't really have a choice, conform or find another line of work. I've yet to meet someone that is okay with it.

It's only a matter of time until you start having issues with the various sensors, heaters, and pumps in that DEF system. The exhaust components are big money too, and have a limited lifespan. Plus when you have an issue with that stuff it'll immediately derate the engine.

Things have improved greatly since it was first implemented, but I wouldn't call it trouble free by any stretch.

The DPF is running 1000+ degrees during regen, it's why they have those goofy vented exhaust tips, so they won't burn the paint off of nearby cars. They'll start grass fires easily too, and a lot of combines and tractors have burned from debris getting kicked up near the exhaust.

[nomolites]

21 minutes ago, MrGiggles said:

Well they don't really have a choice, conform or find another line of work. I've yet to meet someone that is okay with it.

It's only a matter of time until you start having issues with the various sensors, heaters, and pumps in that DEF system. The exhaust components are big money too, and have a limited lifespan. Plus when you have an issue with that stuff it'll immediately derate the engine.

Things have improved greatly since it was first implemented, but I wouldn't call it trouble free by any stretch.

The DPF is running 1000+ degrees during regen, it's why they have those goofy vented exhaust tips, so they won't burn the paint off of nearby cars. They'll start grass fires easily too, and a lot of combines and tractors have burned from debris getting kicked up near the exhaust.

The DPF design was a major dud and almost everything now is equipped with DEF for emissions which is significantly more reliable but still has it’s share of issues.  A derate IS slightly better than a shutdown; the biggest issue is diagnosis and repair is difficult.  Dealers are backlogged and half the time when you pick up your “repaired” truck it derates on the way home.

Other than that, they are just great.  I agree with Mr. G, if I had an older diesel w/o those emissions systems I would keep it.  I have nothing against new things that are reliable, but these emissions systems do not qualify under that criteria.

Mike

[MrGiggles]

10 hours ago, nomolites said:

The DPF design was a major dud and almost everything now is equipped with DEF for emissions which is significantly more reliable but still has it’s share of issues.  A derate IS slightly better than a shutdown; the biggest issue is diagnosis and repair is difficult.  Dealers are backlogged and half the time when you pick up your “repaired” truck it derates on the way home.

Other than that, they are just great.  I agree with Mr. G, if I had an older diesel w/o those emissions systems I would keep it.  I have nothing against new things that are reliable, but these emissions systems do not qualify under that criteria.

Mike

SCR setups still have a DPF. Injecting DEF allowed them to reduce the EGR's role quite a bit, which also reduced the amount of regen required, at the cost of a lot more complexity. Those early DPF only setups were a pain for sure.

Soot has never been the problem with diesels, it's the NOx emissions. There is no easy way to deal with those.