Please read and contact your congressman

[fishinwrench]

49 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

I think California banned lead bullets for hunting already.  Buzzards were getting dumber from eating lead infested carcasses left by hunters.

Well what are they hunting with then?   Have they all gone to archery only? 

They'll have a serious overpopulation of all kinds of sickly critters before long. 

Hunting serves a purpose.  Missouri needs to kill more deer as it is.  Alot more.    CWD probably never would have been a thing if the population had been kept in check.   I doubt that it's solely the high-fence deers fault.

People around here can't even go to their mailbox without seeing 3-5 deer.   It's rediculous.

[tjm]

54 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

California banned lead bullets

First passed in 2013,  I think, phased in,  it became final in 2019

26 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Well what are they hunting with then?   

Certified non lead

Ca. banned trapping too and most retail fur sales, as I  recall,  and they have coyotes eating pets and bobcats on patios looking in the slider- Oh! so cute! 

[fishinwrench]

19 minutes ago, tjm said:

First passed in 2013,  I think, phased in,  it became final in 2019

Certified non lead

Ca. banned trapping too and most retail fur sales, as I  recall,  and they have coyotes eating pets and bobcats on patios looking in the slider- Oh! so cute! 

I wasn't aware that center-fire LEAD FREE rifle ammo even existed, other than shotshells.    

WTH are the bullets made from?  

[tjm]

Copper some of them, I didn't open all the pdfs listed on that page. Maybe bismuth.  I think lead is still legal there for target practice, in air rifles (not legally a firearm)  and to shoot people.

[Bushbeater]

Doe Run Company just left Herculanium cause of the legal issues. They moved operations out by Viburnum to trash that area.

.https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6363179,-91.1313497,106m/data=!3m1!1e3

[jdmidwest]

19 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

I wasn't aware that center-fire LEAD FREE rifle ammo even existed, other than shotshells.    

WTH are the bullets made from?  

Copper.  Barnes is a leader.  Many are making "green" bullets.

https://wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/Nonlead-Ammunition/Certified

FYI, Copper Mines make alot of deadly byproducts too.  But some think that copper is not bad for mammals.  Except when it hits them with force.

And there are plenty of lead free airgun options too.  I like the copper ones, they work in some airguns well.

https://airgunpelletdb.com/lead_free/yes/

 

[BilletHead]

16 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

Copper.  Barnes is a leader.  Many are making "green" bullets.

https://wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/Nonlead-Ammunition/Certified

FYI, Copper Mines make alot of deadly byproducts too.  But some think that copper is not bad for mammals.  Except when it hits them with force.

And there are plenty of lead free airgun options too.  I like the copper ones, they work in some airguns well.

https://airgunpelletdb.com/lead_free/yes/

 

            When you can constantly hit a quarter or a dime at 50 yards with one of those let me know. There is a reason why lead is the gold standard.

     Guys I brought this to your attention because it can happen here too. Just takes one foot in the door and then they can push it in. Maybe not in your lifetime but maybe your children or grandchildren. It is not a question of it happening it's when will it happen?  

[fishinwrench]

21 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

And there are plenty of lead free airgun options too.  I like the copper ones, they work in some airguns well

Yeah I've shot them.   Too light, no energy past 20 yards.  

[jdmidwest]

19 minutes ago, Bushbeater said:

Doe Run Company just left Herculanium cause of the legal issues. They moved operations out by Viburnum to trash that area.

.https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6363179,-91.1313497,106m/data=!3m1!1e3

That's the recycle plant, not a smelter.  The ore, if they still mine it there, goes out the Port at Scott City to be smelted overseas.  The ore truck traffic has been pretty slim the last few times I went thru the area.  It used to be pretty heavy.  The cut the rail line at Bixby years ago on 32. 

Park Hills area has been a big cleanup project for years.  All of the old tailing piles, water runoff,  personal yards have been dealt with.  EPA came in and gouged them good.  The smelting that went on in Herculanium did the same thing and they were whacked for it.

[jdmidwest]

20 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

            When you can constantly hit a quarter or a dime at 50 yards with one of those let me know. There is a reason why lead is the gold standard.

     Guys I brought this to your attention because it can happen here too. Just takes one foot in the door and then they can push it in. Maybe not in your lifetime but maybe your children or grandchildren. It is not a question of it happening it's when will it happen?  

It will.  Lead is going away or going to be priced out of existence.  I think there will be enough lead for my Grandkids, I do have some set back for them.  Bought 4 boxes of Crosman heavies in 177 and 22 this week.  On sale.

Hopefully teck will catch up.