nomolites Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Yes. Vary Cadence and length of stroke until the fish tell you it’s right. You can cast and retrieve as well on a gravel bottom but rocks and wood will claim your bait if casting across areas with structure. Mike
Dutch Posted January 7, 2023 Author Posted January 7, 2023 Yesterday I tried casting around ledges. It was a fiasco. Then I found fish on M L and tried holding it above them. They would swim up to it then swim away. Next time I am going to use jigging spoons also. I know they will catch fish. dan hufferd 1
Members watermen2 Posted January 7, 2023 Members Posted January 7, 2023 Larry has a pretty good reputation as a guide in the FRV. My nephews turned me on to Tom Boley 3-4 years ago and I enjoy his videos more. Very cerebral young kid and very technical. Really good kid with electronics and that's my weakness as I switched to the newer stuff in the sport fishing arena. Like anything ( and you been at this as long as I have) it depends on the day. 30+ years ago pounding the bottom worked, we did not know for sure why. Then vexilars got popular ice fishing, and you could watch the fish react to your bait manipulation. Now you have livescope, and I really enjoyed watching the fish on it last weekend. Walleye and perch trap the bait or jig alot, explains why you hook so many under the chin. Aqua views and the new in line cameras really show how inefficient lures and baits are. There are lots of videos out now on youtube of fish hitting baits under the ice or trolled crawler harnesses or lures. I like Hyper rattles and Salmo chubby darters for this type of fishing. You can cast them and they seem to fish better. The jigging Rap was designed for hard water and I first used it summer time 25 years ago on Devils and Glacial lakes fishing the ditches of flooded roads during mid day. They will not work on the days you need to use a slip bobber or drag a jig. Boley runs and guns with his electronics and fishes fast, worth a look. Young tournament guys use live scope to fish specific individual fish like the crappie guys. I wonder if bass is the same now? Rapala now make a rippin rap that is like the old lipless cranks and more of a hybrid. Short winded answer, yes Larry covers the basics.
Members retired chem teacher Posted January 7, 2023 Members Posted January 7, 2023 Not sure what you are asking but here is what I know--They were originally designed for ice fishing but have caught on for open water fishing. Have been becoming really popular with die hard walleye fisherman on larger northern impound lakes. I am assuming you are asking about the technique. I have several and have caught multiple species on them using the jigging he is showing-- key is getting them down to bottom. There are other companies that make similar baits including Acme. Do a youtube search for Tom Boley --Jason Mitchell -- Bloemendaal Fishing . All use similar techniques
Members watermen2 Posted January 7, 2023 Members Posted January 7, 2023 Water is cold, try a minnow head on the treble.
MrGiggles Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 This time of year I don't work them aggressively. I probably move the rod tip less than a foot, just enough for it to hop and glide a little. Sometimes I jiggle the rod tip and try to rock it as well. In the summer you can work them very aggressively. Snap it hard off the bottom and let it fall on a slack line. Tom Boley shows it pretty well in one of his videos. Most fish will indeed pin it to the bottom and you will hook them on the next jerk. I know guys do pretty well with spoons, but they're hit or miss for me. Last winter I did far better with the drop shot and a plastic, they wouldn't hardly touch a spoon. Quillback 1 -Austin
Quillback Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 9 hours ago, MrGiggles said: I know guys do pretty well with spoons, but they're hit or miss for me. Last winter I did far better with the drop shot and a plastic, they wouldn't hardly touch a spoon. Talked to a buddy of mine yesterday that has Livescope, he dropped a spoon on a small school and they ran from it. He has been getting them on the ice jig though. grizwilson 1
Members lmtout-fitters Posted January 18, 2023 Members Posted January 18, 2023 I don't use them a lot this time of year but in the summer they can be deadly. That time of year I work them much more aggressive than Kent is in this video. I also do not follow the bait down. I let it free fall to the bottom. On my up swing I also hit it on a slack line. So it pops off the bottom. When it settles on the bottom I hesitate just a beat then rip it back up. All different retrieves will work, just have to find what the walleye want on that day. Last year had clients out and we were on fish but after 10 minutes we hadn't got bit. I turned on the livescope and the fish were reacting to the bait but weren't getting the bait in their mouth. We switched to the next smaller size for a slower fall rate.... we immediately started catching. I am a firm believer in confidence in your bait and what you are doing makes a huge difference. top_dollar and nomolites 2
dan hufferd Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 I am confident in this bait for two reasons, one they catch fish, two they catch everything. You will lose them, they get expensive.
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