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[trythisonemv]

14 hours ago, tjm said:

yeah, no, well?, that Galloup guy ties his fly with one, two or three whole feathers in each clump and in my imagination if those were wrapped onto the shank, they would pretty much obscure all that Cactus and perhaps make it hard to get the back plumes to match with the belly plumes. But, this is a fly that I've never tied, as is your shad, so I'm only trying to visualize your technique as compared to Galloup's videos.

I believe the point was not to use the cactus but instead use maribou stem material to make a double color under body . I have tried that but I don't like the look. They fish good as is. Will say if wrench says it works it works so take it as you will lol

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, trythisonemv said:

I believe the point was not to use the cactus but instead use maribou stem material to make a double color under body . I have tried that but I don't like the look. They fish good as is. Will say if wrench says it works it works so take it as you will lol

No, you can use cactus chenille, just instead of tying the belly sections in as clumps.....just tie the stem of a marabou plume in and make 3-4 wraps.   

The darker back pieces can still be tied in via clumps.    

Try it !  👍 

 

I have a couple in the boat, but it's covered and I'm not in the mood to go diving for it at the moment.

[tjm]

4 hours ago, trythisonemv said:

if wrench says it works it works

I'm sure it does, just my imagination isn't giving me a clear picture and all the tying stuff is packed up right now. No big deal if you don't have pics wrench, don't worry about it. If I even remember this when I'm tying again, I'll try it myself.

So, I'm too simple to appreciate articulated flies, do these work as well if tied on a single streamer hook? I have a bunch of 6XL that I haven't used in years and I can imagine tying the marabou in in clumps rather than leaving the stem in. Not sure it'd be worth the effort over a regular marabou leech. 

[trythisonemv]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

I'm sure it does, just my imagination isn't giving me a clear picture and all the tying stuff is packed up right now. No big deal if you don't have pics wrench, don't worry about it. If I even remember this when I'm tying again, I'll try it myself.

So, I'm too simple to appreciate articulated flies, do these work as well if tied on a single streamer hook? I have a bunch of 6XL that I haven't used in years and I can imagine tying the marabou in in clumps rather than leaving the stem in. Not sure it'd be worth the effort over a regular marabou leech. 

The problem I encountered with single extra long hooks is that you miss a lot of Hookset due to them hitting the head. Now I do tie a single peanut envy but it is just a bow river bugger basically. 

[trythisonemv]

[trythisonemv]

Just now, trythisonemv said:

The double work way better though. Jig them down stream or jerk strip in small water

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

 

So, I'm too simple to appreciate articulated flies, do these work as well if tied on a single streamer hook? I have a bunch of 6XL that I haven't used in years and I can imagine tying the marabou in in clumps rather than leaving the stem in. Not sure it'd be worth the effort over a regular marabou leech

I've experimented with a bunch of articulated streamers, but for ME the only one worth the effort is Blane's Game Changer.  

I quit using long shank streamer hooks a decade ago.....and I think that was a good move.   Any fish worth hooking eats the fly head first, so nearly everything I fish with is tied on Mustad 34007 1x long hooks.    B10S is a popular hook, but they are brittle and I had a couple of them break while trying to get unsnagged so now I'm gun-shy about tying on them anymore. 

[tjm]

1 hour ago, fishinwrench said:

the only one worth the effort is Blane's Game Changer.  

so not a fan of Kelly's flies?

I typically use 3366 hooks on my streamers (why I have all those bucktail hooks laying around)  but this fly isn't adaptable to a head only hook. To be true to the pattern, it'd have to use two hooks and be articulated, possibly a shank with the short hook.

I don't think that only head hooked streamers  are effective though or there would be no tube flies.

[fishinwrench]

3 hours ago, tjm said:

so not a fan of Kelly's flies?

They are cool, and are obviously killer on the Madison......but just haven't been that productive for me.  🤷‍♂️

[tjm]

Some day I'll tie a few of those double hook BLs just to see how they go. But, I'll likely try to get them as near to the Galloup's recipe as I can.  I'm not sure what hooks I'll need to buy for that, but I suspect the 3366 is too short