Revisions for Big River in the new edition of the Paddler's Guide...

[Terrierman]

On 7/10/2024 at 5:18 PM, tjm said:

What is the point of a mile marker on a map anyway, if I have no way to measure the water. None of my boats or canoes came with an odometer. 

Do you have a smart phone?  They will tell you exactly where you are.  We tracked our grandson's progress on a float on the Finley last Saturday.  Knew when it was time to leave to do the bottom end of the shuttle.  Technology isn't always a bad thing.

[fishinwrench]

29 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

Do you have a smart phone?  They will tell you exactly where you are.  We tracked our grandson's progress on a float on the Finley last Saturday.  Knew when it was time to leave to do the bottom end of the shuttle.  Technology isn't always a bad thing.

Smart phones and float trips are actually 2 things that shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. 

Mine stays in the truck so I don't have to babysit it all day.  

[Flysmallie]

14 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Mine stays in the truck so I don't have to babysit it all day.  

Mine is tucked safely in a dry bag in case I need it. There is no babysitting. 

[Terrierman]

32 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Smart phones and float trips are actually 2 things that shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. 

Mine stays in the truck so I don't have to babysit it all day.  

We like getting photo updates and staying in touch.  Feel free to do things your way, but not everyone sees everything the same way.  I noticed that last week.

[WestCentralFisher]

On a canoeing centric Facebook group I'm a part of, I always see the "just leave the phone in the car" posts. Worth noting the only time I followed that advice, my phone overheated and never turned on again. I probably could have protected it better. But combined with people smashing windows from time to time, I'd rather take my chances with a dry box tied to the canoe. 

[tjm]

So you all had smart phones and google maps in 1965?

My original question was for those who mark the maps. The followup question presumes that I need to use that same method of measuring to get the same results, while sitting in a canoe underway.

Obviously MDC is not an authority on stream use other than to keep their fish in. And the "Most Recent Issue" of "Paddler's Guide" I bought just a few years ago had questionable distances marked for access points that have been unavailable for 20-30 years, on  streams that I'm familiar with.  Kinda wondering if the new issue would have the same zero value as the other. But it seems the OP post was a drive by. 

[Flysmallie]

9 minutes ago, tjm said:

So you all had smart phones and google maps in 1965?

It's 2023. 1965 doesn't matter anymore. But yes I can mark a map and make my way downstream. That's what we did in the early 2000's. There were no smart phones then either. If you can't figure out where you are from a paper map you should probably just stay in your house. 

[fishinwrench]

2 hours ago, Flysmallie said:

Mine is tucked safely in a dry bag in case I need it. There is no babysitting. 

It WOULD be nice to order a pizza & have it delivered sometimes. 👍

[ColdWaterFshr]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

So you all had smart phones and google maps in 1965?

My original question was for those who mark the maps. The followup question presumes that I need to use that same method of measuring to get the same results, while sitting in a canoe underway.

Obviously MDC is not an authority on stream use other than to keep their fish in. And the "Most Recent Issue" of "Paddler's Guide" I bought just a few years ago had questionable distances marked for access points that have been unavailable for 20-30 years, on  streams that I'm familiar with.  Kinda wondering if the new issue would have the same zero value as the other. But it seems the OP post was a drive by. 

I think with a 7.5 minute quadrangle map, which have been around forever, it would easy to get mileage calculated fairly precisely.  Just a thought.  Maybe thats where they got the distances from.

I've had at least 3 or 4 different copies of the paddlers guide over the years.  Never really studied on what changed with each revision.  Of course our river channels are changing all the time, but I've yet to encounter a distance in that guidebook that seemed wrong.  

[tjm]

1 hour ago, Flysmallie said:

If you can't figure out where you are from a paper map you should probably just stay in your house. 

That would keep most people from going to work or out to eat. But, the question was not and still is not "where am I?" the question was " how did the map maker measure miles on an unmarked waterway?", and since they did that in on the original maps in 1965, their method must still exist?

Anyone using a gps or a smart phone would not be using the MDC book on the water anyway.

15 minutes ago, ColdWaterFshr said:

I think with a 7.5 minute quadrangle map, which have been around forever, it would easy to get mileage calculated fairly precisely.

If you have and can use the topo map, why buy the Guide?