anyone bored?

[tjm]

What is bad about the T.U.E.?

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

What is bad about the T.U.E.?

Mechanically they are great for snelling type connections....... because the result is a slightly more open hook gap.   But if you're tying directly to the eye, or even using a loop knot, the physics of hook penetration via tension on the tippet.....theoretically works against you.  

[BilletHead]

10 hours ago, Flysmallie said:

A few months ago I started making myself tie flies. I was tired of thinking about going fishing and not having the flies I wanted. So I just started tying at least one every few days. It’s back to being enjoyable and a good stress reliever. 
 

This week’s offerings;

Cool beans Ronnie! 

  Watch out for those sculpin helmets. Ask me how I know.😁

[tjm]

9 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Mechanically they are great for snelling type connections....... because the result is a slightly more open hook gap.   But if you're tying directly to the eye, or even using a loop knot, the physics of hook penetration via tension on the tippet.....theoretically works against you.  

oh, that, I forgot that bit.  Pretty sure that's a myth. IIRC, Dr.  Borger disproved that in one of his books. "Designing Trout  Flies" perhaps, it's been a while since I read that one. Historically, I believe the up eye was used for underwater  and the down eye was used for dries and that was supposedly about orienting the fly with the tippet before the bite, with floating lines  and those Turle knots that tighten on the head. 

  I do prefer straight eye for under water presentation because that lets the fly work best with either floating line or sinking line, imo,  but I've used all types of hooks including those 10XL TDE hooks that were recommended for the Carrie Stevens streamers. Anecdotally they all worked about the same. 

Snelled flies were historically tied on blind eye hooks, weren't they? One of these days I'm going to sit down and snell all my <#16 flies and connect them loop to loop with the tippet. But I've been planning that for a few years and have yet to do it.

[fishinwrench]

35 minutes ago, tjm said:

Pretty sure that's a myth.

Actually it's not.  The hook penetrates best when the force applied to it is more parallel to the point & barb. 

Otherwise it is like hammering a bent nail.   But whatever.....it can still work 🤷‍♂️

[tjm]

The angle of the line to the shank isn't changed by an appreciable amount by eye position.  Try pulling a nail with a three foot crow bar and see if it makes any difference if your hand is above or below the bar, as long as the force is applied at the same length. What does help with hooking is kirbing the hooks. When that hook is flat in the closed mouth the offset point has a much better chance of catching lips, but most fly fishers don't kirb. Anyhow, you answered my question, my curiosity is over.

[fishinwrench]

29 minutes ago, tjm said:

The angle of the line to the shank isn't changed by an appreciable amount by eye position. 

We aren't discussing the angle of Line to Shank.......We are concerned with the angle of force delivered to the point of the hook. 

30 minutes ago, tjm said:

Anyhow, you answered my question, my curiosity is over.

👍 Cool !    Discussion over 😅

[Flysmallie]

6 hours ago, BilletHead said:

Watch out for those sculpin helmets. Ask me how I know.😁

That’s why I have a stash of them. Tried them when they first came out and wasn’t a huge fan. But like those hooks, it’s time to get used up. 

[Linhardt]

23 hours ago, BilletHead said:

   When is your next trip Anthony? Bring money. 😆

I am not too sure at the moment sometime in the next few months.  But on your next trip there I can trade you some flies for one.  Go below the big stone bridge in the fast water stand at the edge and look in the trees.  I have hung several up there so you can pick a few off the limbs.  😆

[BilletHead]

47 minutes ago, Linhardt said:

I am not too sure at the moment sometime in the next few months.  But on your next trip there I can trade you some flies for one.  Go below the big stone bridge in the fast water stand at the edge and look in the trees.  I have hung several up there so you can pick a few off the limbs.  😆

Probably next to mine. Just let us know when you make that trip. Would be good to see you again.