Lancer09

My Fiancee and I just got back from our trip out west. I have communicated with a few fellow forum members trying to get some advice, details, and anything that might help catch a few fish out there. This was NOT a fishing vacation but I was still able to get quite a bit of river time, and this is a documentation of some of that. Two Saturdays ago we had a concert we were going to. It was an all day deal... We left at 10:30 pm with three bands left. We wanted to cover some ground that night and crash in the car so that when we arrived in Jackson WY the next day we might still have a shot at a campsite (the one we wanted based on location did not take reservations). We pulled into town around 8:30 pm... The camp filled about 7:30, and we spent another night crashing in the car. We were up bright and early, rolled through town and up to the Gros Ventre campground and ended up getting a spot, cooked some breakfast and made a plan for the day. Turns out that sausage made out of bacon is actually very good. You see, we had a full day guided trip booked on the Snake River on Tuesday and I wanted to get a little fishing in before hand. The Gros Ventre River actually was right next to our campsite, which was only 6 miles North of Jackson. It was a beautiful day! 75, light breeze and no humidity.. Compared to the 98, and stifling humidity that we had on Saturday out at Sporting Park for our show this was quite the welcome respite. We bought our licenses for the next two days, a few flies, and did some site seeing in town. We stopped by the National Fish Hatchery and checked out their fishing pond. About the time we started heading back to make a couple of toasted sammiches for lunch the weather took a big turn, dropping to 45 and raining.... I'm quite blessed in what my fiancee will do to feed this fishing habit of mine. We geared up and hit the river outside of camp. When I called up to confirm my reservation with the fly shop they said it would be warm enough to wet wade, and no one brought waders this time of year... So I didn't... It was a bit cold. Unbeknownst to me, if we had started fishing before that system moved in, that ended up dumping a few inches of snow above 9,000 feet, every body of water int he area was just on fire and anything you threw was hammered... I caught no fish this day. That storm hung in all night and it got sunny as we broke camp to head to the shop for our trip, after we got back we would be driving up to Yellowstone to camp for the next five nights. When we got to the shop the guide asked if I had any flies, and showed him the Cliff Boat Box worth of stuff I had tied up, he said some would work and filled a shop jar full of flies to take. Dry Flies were going to be the name of the game, but it was still only 45 degrees or so when we got to the put in. As we begin to rig up Ed (our guide) asks for the jar of flies and is confused when I say I don't have them. Ed thinks he handed them to me, I think I handed them back to Ed. Ed Grabs a stash of his own personal flies and I rig up with one of mine that he says will work. Chernobyls were the name of the game for the day. The Snake is so unlike anything we have here it was incredible. From the color of the water to the volume of the flow, just insane. Fishing started off a bit slow as Ed worked with my Fiancee in the front of the boat with her casting, and as we were close to the access. Along a nice current seam from the middle of the river I nailed my first Cuttie of the day, which was also my biggest. I was picking up fish fairly regularly and finished the 12.5 mile float somewhere between 12-15 fish. About half way through Ashleigh finally connected with her first trout on a dry fly. We caught fish on Chernobyl's, hoppers, and my best fly of the day was a tiny Stimulator,, like an 18. Within site of the take out she connected with her biggest fish of the day. Ed turned out to be a fantastic guide, and we had a great day after we got past forgetting the shop flies! On to Yellowstone we go! On Wednesday we didn't do any fishing. We bought our licenses, and did the touristy stuff. Thursday we hiked up to Mystic Falls. I really wish I had brought a rod. That was a brook trout looking creek if I've ever seen one. That day I also fished the Gibbon River trying to catch a Grayling... I did not.... Friday I fished the Gibbon River again trying to catch a Grayling.... Again, I did not... I will have to go back for this. I was told they are rare, but it was something I wanted. Ashleigh Fished a little bit but mostly just hung out on the river bank. Upon the advice of a forum member, and a few other people I decided to cash in all of my fishing chips for a trip up to a creek that meanders through a few meadows. I was told number one has fish, but move on. Number two is good, and meadow three is the best for fishing. Meadow number 2 was a 4.5 mile hike up. I as fine with this but I knew I wouldn't get her to hike another few miles to number three. What we didn't know that was in meadow number 2 the trail never cuts down near the creek, and we ended walking the length of it looking for somewhere to drop in. Our 9 mile round trip hike turned into 13.1. In wading boots. My feet Hurt. It was more than worth it. We found a small feeder creek that cut through down to the main creek and followed it through chest high grass down to where we wanted to fish. There were fish. Pure Yellowstone Cutts. This slow creek was going to take good drifts to get them to come up. They were rising to cripples and emergers, but not taking any real dry flies. I had refusals on Adams, Purple Haze, Chernobyls, Ants, Green Drakes, and Hoppers. I wanted those fish on a dry fly but it didn't seem it would happen. I dropped a number 18 red Copper John off the back of my hopper on about 2 feet of 7x. First cast. Game On. What you cannot see is how fat that fish was. He was the king of his pool. He measured from the crease in my elbow to the tip of my index finger, which is how I measure fish. It was right on 19 inches. when I slid that barbless hook out of his mouth I noticed something. Someone's small BWO was lodged on the inside of his mouth. I took that out too. I like to think whoever hooked him before me did well with a dry, but I was the one who was able to land him on 7 x, and a 4 wt. A 5 would have been more appropriate but the Girl had that in her hand down the creek. Here are a few more pictures of him. Ashleigh was getting refusals on everything on top as well, so For her I dropped a number 18 Dally's Softhackle off the back. 2 olive wire wraps to 1 chartreuse, and it was game on for her, and that was the hot fly of the day. She hasn't had to fight any fish on real light line up to this point so this was quite the test, and with barbless hooks nonetheless. She caught the fattie of the day, and hooked probably 6 more fish, and brought one more to hand. This one broke the fly right after this picture was taken, and she had another one straighten the hook. We went through all of that exact fly I had in my box. The would look at a 16 but hit it much less often, or any other color combo was not quite as loved. I ended up only landing the one fish, and her the two, but I'd have given mine up if it meant she could have landed the one that straightened her hook. We headed on back to camp. About a mile from the trail head we encountered a bison on our trail, which prevented us from getting back to the car for another half hour as he moseyed along the trail. Those three fish are truly the highlight of my trip. The work it took to get to them, the strength of them, beauty, and catching a native fish in the stream it was born in, the stream it will die in was an exhilarating experience. I won't hesitate to go back there again, and am already looking to hike all my stuff up there and camp and fish the creek for a few days instead of a few hours. We also had some pretty good eats on the trip. On Sunday night we had some pretty sweet digs so we didn't have to take camp down before we headed home on Monday morning. Like usual, towards the end of the trip I started kicking myself because I felt like I didn't get enough good pictures to really remember the trip.. And the more I thought about it, I became more glad that I didn't. Instead of worrying about how the trip would look or how I would remember it, I was able to enjoy it, live in the moment and really take in the sheer magnitude out there. Thanks for reading, and here is to dry boots and socks on a cold morning.

Gray scuds. I don't throw much else in the fall during the day unless you can get in a boat and hit the banks with some streamers, but that's not the most effective way to fish taney. It just isn't the same as the white.

Thank you Sir! I hope to put something together when we get back. Phones are staying away while there unless we are taking pictures. Will be good to use that as a chance to get away. This is a 6. I've got a few tied through 10's as well. Really any smaller than that though and they get tough with as much stuff is on there.

People who haven't spent real time, or really interacted with individuals on the spectrum don't truly understand the patience it takes. Hang tough, and just know that you are doing more for them than many others would. They are yours and you are theirs whether they know how to communicate that to you or not. It's hard not to be a little cynical about life in general, throw in what you have at home and I don't think anyone here will fault you for that. back when I was working with Adaptive phys ed classes at MSU we would pair up with individuals, all that has to be done is find that one trigger for them, it may be as simple as them being able to make eye contact with you (pretty much impossible for people with autism), or being able to look at you and listen at the same time (also pretty much impossible). Just keep working with your children, things may not ever be any different but the best thing you can do is try to teach them, and try to learn from them at the same time. I had an Aunt who had a cognitive disability, albeit not austism. However she taught me more about unconditional love, hard work and being a good person maybe more than anyone else. She kept my grandpa alive until he was 90 years old. She woke him up every day, made him shave every day. Made sure that he drove them to breakfast at Hardees a couple times a week and fixed him dinner every night. She never learned how to read, never learned how to drive, or work any sort of job. But she did what my grandma taught her, how to cook, keep a clean house and love her family. Her Christmas presents were always easy too. All she ever wanted to was dvd's that she would watch endlessly. We lost my grandpa a few years back, and she inherited the house, but we all knew she wouldn't last long. She died within 2 weeks of him. My grandpa lived for her, and she for him. You will never have the traditional parenting experience but that doesn't mean that you cannot get as much out of it either, it just may be different.

In 2 days I head out west. Like any other trip I've been tying feverishly only to probably use four or five total flies. It's hopper time out there and I've been prepping for that. I've been looking for a hopper that would float like a cork, and could support a heavy nymph under it. Between the time to tie them, or not having the proper materials I wasn't really finding anything that I liked or felt confident in. I wanted something with a synthetic wing to hold floatant to keep it up. I like hair wings on hoppers for how they look but how they float as well. I put together something of my own creation. All hoppers are essentially the same with mixed components in different portions, I'm not huge on naming flies but this thing might as well be the golden corral with as much stuff as it has on it, so that's what it will affectionately be referred to now as.. the Golden Corral. Foam Body Pearl Crystal Flash Synthetic wing Foam overwing Stacked elk hair wing yellow barred rubber legs and the foam body folded back over for the head. even if it doesn't fish well, at least I have a good looking indicator in a few days.

Mostly 8-12 leeches. Or stepped up to the articulated stuff.

Any chance you could pm me what youve got?

I threw some during the flood back in 11. I moved a few fish that would make your knees shake. They are in there.

My point was this. A guy catches a few 15-16 inch bass and keeps them and the entire TR forum is up in arms. This guy catches and keeps a 20 pound brown and no one batted an eye here. Sure they stock trout there yet the legal limits are STILL lower in numbers than bass and the size minimum is still LARGER. Lets not forget the 38 pound brown that was caught and kept out of the white back in february. Outside of a few trout guys no one really cares. Just because someone keeps a few bass out of TR doesnt mean the fishing is going to be ruined like it is made out to be by a lot of members.

Tolerant does not mean that you are ok with having stuff the way things are going. As someone whos job is youth and adult sports i can tell you now that even in my rec stuff its the parents who are the problem, not the kids. Parents try to live through their children, or are completely apathetic to them. Thats the problem, most people dont have that middle level.. oh your parents were hard on you? Turns out you are even harder on that kid and what do you know, you get a kid with an oppositional defiance disorder. Hey you had free reign when you were young, so your kid should to... looky there its a child who has no concept of a proper support structure. Society has failed the children of today by not knowing how to raise them. Back to sports. Up to a certain point its ok to not keep score... let the kids learn to play the fundamentals of the game before you work winning and losing into their life. We keep score for all of my games. Your right, they know who won and who lost but i dont keep standings until they get to 3rd grade or so. Why? Because at that point they are emotionally mature enough to understand the concept of learning to win and learning to lose and the ramifications of that if they are taught properly. When i was in high school all of my teachers told us that you basically would never have a good job unless you went to college. Well thats not true all that has been left to us is an economy in shambles with not enough jobs and too many over qualified and not properly trained applicants. There is a reason there are so many college graduates who come out of school with 50k in student loans yet are unable to find a job whose salary is even half of that in a year. I got lucky, my parents worked their butts off and instilled that ethic into my brother and I. I worked 3 jobs in college, got in good and was able to get my masters degree right away, and found a job within 2 months of graduating. Im the exception and not the norm. Even with being as fortunate as i have my yearly raise wasnt even enough to cover the rising cost of my rent to stay in the same apartment for another year. Its a perpetual cycle that young adults have been thrown into, and can you blame a lot of them for being frustrated with how things were run in the past? There is a reason . Look at the very drama that has happened in this table rock forum about keeping bass recently.. are there some younger guys in those convos? Yes. Is it primarily people of the demographic that are now complaining about the youth of the world.. yes it is. Everyone is in the same boat here. Just two different sides of the coin.

We saw a few down at Beaver last year, I've seen quite a few on the lower end of the Current down below Vanburen.

Agreed. Especially when a replica mount looks as good or better than a skin mount anyway. I don't mind people keeping stocker trout, 15 inch bass or any other "keepers" really, but I hate seeing a true Trophy taken out of a fishery.

Forgive my ignorance. I don't know a ton about the Salmon deal up there in AK, but I guess I don't see the point in keeping the kings? I know that their runs have been suffering more than really any other salmon species that comes into the rivers. Or does the NakNek get a better run than some of the other rivers? It just seems like if they ARE lacking in numbers, why keep them when you can have a limit of Sockeye in a half hour when they are really going?

Fly Tiers and Liars, it's time for the 4th installment of the Summer Streamer swap. Got a good brown trout streamer? Sign up! Got a good Small mouth Streamer? Sign up! Got something that you killed some Blue Marlin with? Hell Yeah I want a piece of that! Lets see what you guys have got! Basics: Tie one fly for every member in the swap and have them mailed to me by the decided upon date. please include a self addressed, self stamped envelope with your package, it just makes returning everything easier. A lot of guys, myself included put a lot of thought and effort into these flies, I hope everyone does the same! I've caught a lot of fish on a lot of the flies, from Dylan's a few years back, DaddyO's last year, MikeH's, and The Troutdoorsman have all put fish in my hand. I know others have caught flies, I just can't think of who tied them. Date to have everything to me: 8/28/15. That's like 2 months guys. Serial. Sign up and get some pretty rockin flies back. Links to the past years!

Might be able to find some stuff in the backs of coves of Table Rock in the dam area. I spent some time doing that this weekend. Other than that you could trek over to Roaring or something as I don't think it'll be as blown as Taney. If Swan or or beaver have come down enough You might be able to find some nice backwater fishing along those creeks as well.

I could see it. We aren't really given much info to his parents other than he grew up poor in the fingers.

One of the first things I tie on is a 10inch purple worm for tablerock. Usually I end up not changing away from that.

Can we just get a NED part of the board. Those are great bass... but not in Tablerock. And i know the oklahoma section wont get the same number of views.. All things NED go in the NED subforum so people who go there know that it will be all about the NED.

Do you bottle all five gallons when it's mixed, or pour straight from the jug? I'd be interested in giving this a try? What is your time frame like?

This is so awesome. I love Ciders.

Stonefloppers

As long as the ball is out of your hand by the time you come down, there is no violation. A missed shot does not have to hit rim/backboard or anything else. It is up to the officials discretion, if the shooter then comes back down with that shot. As long as they feel that it was a legitimate shot attempt. Al is right about the jump stop as well.The problem with basketball anymore is that there IS such a lax attitude about traveling. So many coaches do not teach the proper rules in basketball, especially AAU ball any more, and because of it the college game is suffering. This has also led to decreased talent in the NBA and we get a few incredible players and some decent surrounding cast players. Men's league is a whole different beast. I had a couple of my officials were both Div. II college officials. The players claimed that they were the WORST refs that they had ever had, where do I find these guys, etc. They aren't asking for even college level officials, they just want someone competent... They weren't so happy when I told them that both of those guys did college ball, and were there officiating to just get some practice in before the NCAA season started. If you think men's league as bad, try stepping into collegiate Intramural sports, I had a few officials who had to be escorted to their cars at the end of the night by campus security because they didn't feel safe walking alone. Bad stuff.

What Kind of fish did you use for that Ceviche. I do love me some Ceviche.

Corporate (industrial) espionage: 1. (Commerce) attempting to obtain trade secrets by dishonest means, as by telephone- or computer-tapping, infiltration of a competitor's workforce, etc This is literally exactly what they did. They hacked the computer program for the Astros that literally has all of their scouting info, injury reports, and probably anything else the team was using. Of course there is going to be a low level employee who takes the fall, and they will say it didn't reach the top but how much of what they did for their job was possibly predicated by what they were obtaining from the data they were viewing. There was a document posted last June, so they have obviously been doing this for a while. IMO spy gate, or deflating footballs isn't even in the same realm as this. This is worse for the integrity of baseball than ANYTHING that has happened in recent memory.