I bookmarked this thread with a note to review it about january/february next year as a good reminder. Great post! Slightly off topic, but, Bill do you think this pattern would work on Bull Shoals as well? The only difference I see(as I was out yesterday) at least on the lake it is very hard to find any standing timber in less than 75 to 80FOW. The timber along the bluffs swings can come up from 25ft to the surface, but in the guts of the creeks and big coves if you find it, generally it is in 80+fow with the tops topping out at about 40ft or deeper. Is there anything that sets one tree apart from the others? Or is it just a matter of running your grub past as many as you can until you find them? Thanks for all the educating you do on the boards!