Camp Zoe Seized By The Feds

[eric1978]

Yes, I'm gonna guess sales and consumption of hard drugs, and repeated drug sales to undercover agents, isn't occurring at Verizon right under the nose of management/security. Have you got something solid to back your claim up?

You're partially right...most of it happens in the parking lot before the concert, since the huge venues can afford metal detectors and security thugs to pat everyone down before they enter. But the cause is the same - people are going to a concert to enjoy themselves...and the result is the same - some people like to get high at concerts, and where there's demand, there's supply. So the drug use and drug transactions are going to happen no matter where the concert is held, and the venue is incidental. It's just a matter of who's gonna get picked on and who's not.

Something solid to back up my claim? If you mean footage from my hidden belt-buckle camera, then no...just my personal experience with a large number of concerts at an array of venues. Trust me, it happens everywhere and I've seen it first-hand many times, but apparently if you're a rich enough corporation, you get a pass while the little guy goes to the gas chamber.

"Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king." Bob Dylan

....hell I smelt weed at the Sesame Street on Ice show @ Scottrade

[Fly_Guy]

Bottom line, law is the law. I would rather the government not interfer with this concert, or my life, unless the law is being broke. Laws exist for a reason.

Any method to crack down on mind bending drugs is fine by me. I have a very good friend whose pregnant aunt was killed by her drugged up, drug dealing boyfriend. Go law enforcement!

[Fly_Guy]

I have to agree with Cricket, Wrench and Eric on this one. We don't know what was going on there....I camped there once like Cricket and it seemed much more clean than most state properties I have camped in.

I don't like the Feds or State police taking anything from anybody.If it's some kids smoking a ton of weed, well that dosen't bother me. I also agree with Justin in the country unique events thru out the year are what drums up commerce in a already depleted commercial region.

show me some evidence that would support such a siezure...if it's just a little weed smoking and people listening to the Dead and and camping, then that is just plain wrong. Our society is going up the craper with how PC we think we are.

Just a little weed is one thing. The article, however (if anyone had cared to read it before posting), mentions everything from weed to LSD and opium. Sounds like a woodstock style drugfest.

[ness]

Yeah, I'm sure Verizon is greasing the palms of The Man so he'll look the other way. They probably narced on that upstanding, law-abiding, musician/small business owner down there too.

Look guys -- this ain't a conspiracy, and the government isn't running amok. The guy hasn't lost a thing yet, except the use of his money. It's healthy to question, but it's nuts when you throw common sense out and start seeing the boogie man around every corner.

Smallie, I'm not naive. Carefully read my post -- the parts about 'right under the nose of management/security' and repeated 'drug sales to undercover agents' have a great deal of importance in all this.

For forfeiture opponents -- does that opposition extend to planes, boats or cars used to smuggle drugs or illegal aliens? Or to weapons used in crimes? Or fishing tackle used illegally*? Drug paraphernalia?

Who of you would stand idly by and let drug dealers sell out of your driveway? You'd call the cops because it's illegal, and you don't want the risk. That's what this guy shoulda done too.

More realistically,if he would have at least made an honest effort to prevent it, he wouldn't be in trouble right now. He screwed up, and now it's outta his hands.

* see, it's still fishing related. Barely.

[bigredbirdfan]

Funny just about all of this was going on at the Chaiftez Center at SLU last thursday night at the dead show I saw and the Feds didn't seize it or the Sprint center during rap concerts. This is just a little fish incapable of mounting the kind of defense it will need to take on the Federal Govt. I hope the ACLU funds this defense and beats it. Just because you don't want to spend the resources to mount a proper investigation and acutally catch criminals it doesn't entitle the goverment to come in take a guys land. Welcome to the police state.

[bigredbirdfan]

Bottom line, law is the law. I would rather the government not interfer with this concert, or my life, unless the law is being broke. Laws exist for a reason.

There is a law in Springfield that you are required to carry a "Shovel" in moving vehicles to clean up animal waste that is still on the books is that a good law?

[flytyer57]

IT'S THE DEVIL WEED!!!!!!!!!! If we were talking about a property owner that held concerts and served whiskey who's land was siezed and his accounts frozen by the Feds most of you would be in an uproar. Ness I hate to say it Eric's right you my friend are naive....drugs are beeing consumed and sold at all venues in the big city during concerts....hell I smelt weed at the Sesame Street on Ice show @ Scottrade....bottom line is the guberment shouldn't be allowed to sieze anyone's property....the war on certain drugs is a joke!!!!!

I slightly disagree with you here. If this guy was CONVICTED of drug dealing, then his property SHOULD be seized. Until then though, I'm all against it.

[Smalliebigs]

Just a little weed is one thing. The article, however (if anyone had cared to read it before posting), mentions everything from weed to LSD and opium. Sounds like a woodstock style drugfest.

First off....Opium it's pretty similar to weed in it's buzz just a lttle more intense and dosen't last as long and you will smell like some old ladies perfume when your'e done with it.

Second....taking LSD out in a field on the Current River is probaly one of the most safe enviroments to do acid.

Our country is very hypocritical when it comes to the war on drugs.Alcohol use accounts for more deaths and money out of our pockets than all drugs combined.When it comes to the town drunk in Salem and he hits your mailbox you laugh it off.When a bunch of want to be hippies going to a Dead cover band in the Ozarks and smoke some weed and maybey sell some weed ,we have the goverment sieze their property and assets.

The goverment better stay away from my Pinot Noir and my Sig Sauers or is already illegal to drink wine and shoot guns on your land???? I know that when I just got my Curios & Relics license last month the St. Louis County Sheriff actually checked my immediate families criminal records...one good reason to always have a good attorney that knows just about every prosucuting attorney in the area.

SIEZE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigredbirdfan]

Nope. Bad law, and needs to be done aways with. Is the law saying it is illegal to posses and sell such drugs as cocaine, LSD, and opium a good or bad law?? Maybe we should change the law, so everything is legal! Tell that to all the victims of drugs and alcohol, why don't you?

my only point is that there are no doubt too many laws period. we don't have enough enforcment for the current laws yet more and more everyday. just because they are laws doesn't make them good laws and therefore the notion of "i respect the law just bacause it's the law" is propaganda at it's best. I believe in freedom and if people want to ride on a motorcycle without a helmet or drive their car without a seat belt who the heck am I or you to say they cant. And if someone wants to take drugs who gives rip. Theses hippies (or recreationalists) were doing drugs listening to music on a farm in the middle of nowhere and probably buying food and beer at the local stores supporting the local economy.

[fishinwrench]

If this guy was CONVICTED of drug dealing, then his property SHOULD be seized. Until then though, I'm all against it.

That's the just of it all as far as I'm concerned. There's no charges, no evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that he broke the law. And whether or not the seizure of his assets becomes a reality, the fees he will be forced to pay to defend himself won't be reimbursed.

Since he has not been convicted of any crime I wonder if this "damage" can be pawned off on his insurance company ?