Would You Support This Legislation?

[Smalliebigs]

To all of the river outfitters in Missouri.... I think Big Daddy Kane said it best " pimping aint easy". All the outfitters in Missouri are pimps, the rivers are the girls and the recreating public are the Johns.

I just wish someone would step in and save all the poor girls from all the prostitution.

If you think you are going to see anything other than a bunch of tits and butt you didn't want to see or drunks on the weekends in Missouri on the rivers then you are naive. The rivers are beeing pimped out face it......fish in the fall,winter and during the week if you don't want to see the prostitution.

[Jerry Rapp]

the outfitters are making money legally. What an insane comment smalliebugs. I am just shaking my head in amazement in how much you guys are just like bass fishing tournament anglers. You think you own it all. It is PUBLIC water.

[KCRIVERRAT]

Maybe all the outfitters within a 100 to 150 miles of St. Louis are so-called pimps. It's party central over there. Bring in the bands on weekends. Provide guests with breakfast, lunch on the river, and dinner. Huzzah Valley comes to mind. Huzzah is the only river I've ever floated over there and I'll never do it again... on a weekend. And there are plenty of great oufitters within Missouri that strive to provide a family friendly experience or provide a group of buddies a great night around a campfire just giving each other crap. It's 2012 gentlemen... not the 60's or 70's or even the early 80's (or the 20's Wayne... couldn't resist brother). Lots of ya on this forum like to post pics and reports of a great day on the river or lake. We now live in "our" moment, not the moments of others or of some of our "good old days". Myself? I love what's available here in Missouri and Arkansas.

Can't quite grasp the comparison to us river guys to bass tourney guys. People who appreciate the rivers are a different breed from a tournament angler.

[gotmuddy]

Can't quite grasp the comparison to us river guys to bass tourney guys. People who appreciate the rivers are a different breed from a tournament angler.

I believe he is referrring to many tourny anglers who feel that people not fishing the tourny should stay out of their way.

[Mitch f]

The problem is and always has been that people just use a good thing to death. The rivers in this state are so beautiful they should be around for all to enjoy. But eventually they will be a thing of the past and gone forever. We can try to slow down the demise as best we can, but I fear it's all for naught.

There's a river up north that I love to go to in the past few years. It was such a good smallmouth stream that word got out. Now they run 2 fly fishing guide boats done the river everyday in the summer. How sad it is, but like Jerry said it is open to the public and I need to get over it. If it wasn't for the fact that they are fly fishermen instead of conventional bass fisherman I might get more upset.

I'm not begrudging any outfitter or guide from making a living but I don't like introducing any more businesses on the river, same as people don't like to see my jet boat in the river. We are all selfish and that's just the way it is. I would be happy to pay extra as a rental to provide more enforcement if it was only a "tax" to the users of the resource like a toll road tax. I reject certain free MDC accesses right now because of vandalism. I will gladly pay $5 to park away from the riff raff. Why can't the canoe outfitters charge a tad extra and have a private security service help out? I think I would be willing to pay for the extra protection. I know many outfitters have a security guard on staff. Seems like they could use it as a selling point. Don't waste trying to pass another tax, figure out a way to get private industry to help. Why not?

[Justin Spencer]

To all of the river outfitters in Missouri.... I think Big Daddy Kane said it best " pimping aint easy". All the outfitters in Missouri are pimps, the rivers are the girls and the recreating public are the Johns.

I love it, and your right, it's hard out here for a pimp! I need to start wearing that technicolor dreamcoat outfit Kramer wore in Seinfeld, and maybe some of those shoes with the goldfish in the heels. Maybe once it cools off I'll look for an outfit. Can't figure out how to bitch slap a river though.

[gotmuddy]

The problem is and always has been that people just use a good thing to death. The rivers in this state are so beautiful they should be around for all to enjoy. But eventually they will be a thing of the past and gone forever. We can try to slow down the demise as best we can, but I fear it's all for naught.

There's a river up north that I love to go to in the past few years. It was such a good smallmouth stream that word got out. Now they run 2 fly fishing guide boats done the river everyday in the summer. How sad it is, but like Jerry said it is open to the public and I need to get over it. If it wasn't for the fact that they are fly fishermen instead of conventional bass fisherman I might get more upset.

Where are the rivers going? These rivers will be here long after we are dead and gone. What difference would it make if the guides were fly fishing or not? Bigotry, sad but true.

FWIW, I have parked my rig at Blair bridge, patrick bridge, hammond access, and james bridge without any of the "riff-raff" vandalizing or robbing me.

*Since we are in the mood to throw blanket statements about people around, lets just ban people from using the a river if they are from St. Louis, KC, or springfield? I have never seen a local throwing trash into the river, so make rivers local use only? That will work for me since I live about 10 miles from the south fork, and about 35 miles from the NFoW

*this is meant sarcastically, just in case everyone misses the joke(which at least half will)

[KCRIVERRAT]

I believe he is referrring to many tourny anglers who feel that people not fishing the tourny should stay out of their way.

I understand that Bud. But I would change the terminology to a "few" tourney anglers.

[Al Agnew]

What I've found, being a "local" but also traveling to a lot of other streams, is that neither locals nor visitors have a monopoly on trashing the rivers. The drunken idiots can be local or not, it's just that the visitors are more likely to be in canoes and kayaks that flip and dump all their empties and full cans in the rivers, while the locals are more likely to be in jetboats or on ATVs and leave all their crap on the gravel bars and up in the weeds.

The rivers will survive if all you're talking about is water, but the things that make them special places may not. When vast sections of bank have been cleared of all the trees and have caved away, when the water is polluted from human waste and livestock waste, when the hordes of pinheads spread until it's as crowded during the week as it is on Saturdays, when houses and tacky subdivisions line the banks, when fracking sucks most of the water out...well, you get the picture.

Every "local" who doesn't appreciate these streams for what they are should be required to live in central Kansas for a couple years.

[gotmuddy]

What I've found, being a "local" but also traveling to a lot of other streams, is that neither locals nor visitors have a monopoly on trashing the rivers. The drunken idiots can be local or not, it's just that the visitors are more likely to be in canoes and kayaks that flip and dump all their empties and full cans in the rivers, while the locals are more likely to be in jetboats or on ATVs and leave all their crap on the gravel bars and up in the weeds.

The rivers will survive if all you're talking about is water, but the things that make them special places may not. When vast sections of bank have been cleared of all the trees and have caved away, when the water is polluted from human waste and livestock waste, when the hordes of pinheads spread until it's as crowded during the week as it is on Saturdays, when houses and tacky subdivisions line the banks, when fracking sucks most of the water out...well, you get the picture.

Every "local" who doesn't appreciate these streams for what they are should be required to live in central Kansas for a couple years.

every local I have encountered on NFoW has been interested in keeping the river clean, in fact I have seen people with snorkels picking beer cans up off the bottom of the river.

How much trash did you see on the southfork?