Meramec River Shooting

[mic]

I'll tell you one thing... if this becomes a 5th admendment story and gets wheels, you can count on something happening.

[Jack Jones]

After reading the article, yeah, it looks like a homicide. Definitely a chargeable crime. However....I can't help but think that the "victim" wasn't much of a victim because it doesn't take a lot of common sense to realize that when someone is firing warning shots at you, you should probably retreat. Had they disarmed him, what would they have done with him? Assaulted him? Stolen his gun?

Whenever I encounter a crazy looking long haired bearded dude in the woods, on the streets, or pretty much anywhere outside of my own family reunions, I tend to take a wide berth and handle with care.....better safe than sorry. It's usually the dog you don't know that bites you.

[Smalliebigs]

Bingo!!!!! I would never advocate shooting anyone unless they were trying to harm me or my family but, when someone fires warning shots into the sand bar and says get the hell out of here......and then you don't leave and argue about land rights and then pick up rocks and even goes as far as to move close enough to someone with the gun who has just fired a warning shot and them grab his arm????? well.... you are just stupid and obviously drunk as hell.

This story reads like dumb and dumber.......this clown will get off with manslaughter or even be acquitted all together.....those 50 some odd friends that go floating every year are really not so sharp and sound like they were very drunk......the liquid courage had to be flowing........stupid .....yeah you remember that time we argued with that crazy looking dude in Steelville who had a gun and Paul got his face blown off??? man that was crazy...let's go floating.

Seriously though - - - wouldn't you have to be pretty messed up or tripping on something yourself . . . . to try and argue or reason with a dude as crazy looking as that?

[ollie]

Someone had mentioned that the outfitters should do a better job and I think that is the case most of the time. I know I have encountered more than once a time when I didn't think an outfitter should have even rented a canoe to some people. Although I remember the last couple of times I have floated the Mulberry down in Arkansas that Turner Bend has done an outstanding job of letting people know where they should not be on property and where the obstacles in the river were. Also they made sure everyone knew the law when it came down to trash in your boat.

[dennis boatman]

...just wait till they try to build a memorial on that sandbar...

[Lancer09]

I understand everyone saying that they should have high tailed it out of there when he fired warning shots... and he should have. One of the posted articles somewhere said that his wife's cousin had picked up a rock and he stepped between them, it sounds dumb but it could have been as simple as him trying to diffuse the situation even a little bit enough for them to get off the gravel bar.

He knows that if the guy throws the rock he has in his hand someone is definitely getting shot. Plain and simple. "Hey man, we are getting out of here. Let me grab this guy and we are gone." It may have been as simple as him trying to say that so they could be able to leave.

I just haven't read anything from any of the papers that he was belligerent drunk or the one throwing rocks.is he completely innocent in the situation, maybe not.

[GloryDaze]

Be interesting to look up the names on Case Net of the victim and the shooter.

Look it up, pretty interesting.....

[Old plug]

Well MIC do knot hold your breath. Also do not wait for anything that might benefit floaters and fisherman on the streams. If anything I think the current legislature would enact something much more favorable to the land owner.

[mic]

Didn't say the cousin picked up a rock and the husband (who died) stepped between them???

I understand everyone saying that they should have high tailed it out of there when he fired warning shots... and he should have. One of the posted articles somewhere said that his wife's cousin had picked up a rock and he stepped between them, it sounds dumb but it could have been as simple as him trying to diffuse the situation even a little bit enough for them to get off the gravel bar.

He knows that if the guy throws the rock he has in his hand someone is definitely getting shot. Plain and simple. "Hey man, we are getting out of here. Let me grab this guy and we are gone." It may have been as simple as him trying to say that so they could be able to leave.

I just haven't read anything from any of the papers that he was belligerent drunk or the one throwing rocks.is he completely innocent in the situation, maybe not.

[mic]

I said if and if...

I think the only hope of a positive outcome is if it comes up in a ballot inititive where the larger metro areas will have a greater overall impact then the district by district numbers vote. There are more folks in the state the think water is a shared resource than farmers runing who owe the land... Democracy versus Reprentation

Well MIC do knot hold your breath. Also do not wait for anything that might benefit floaters and fisherman on the streams. If anything I think the current legislature would enact something much more favorable to the land owner.