Chief Grey Bear Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Bottom line...only way to guarantee you don't hurt one is to not catch it. . Ha! Have you been spying on me? Terrierman 1 Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Smallieguy87 Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 Have seen a bunch with a perch or jumo gizz stuck sideways in them too. Even nature rolls snake eyes once in a while. Bottom line...only way to guarantee you don't hurt one is to not catch it. Lot of folks are doing no damage at all to the fish population every day. Well said. I tend to remove as much of the hook as i can. When i first started to fish tubes i had deep hook sets a few times but have learned to lessen them by using slightly larger tubes and jigs. I still deep hook a fish every now and then and can't say that i haven't regretfully killed a fish. So i tend to pack a simple set of wire cutters and i do carry some hemostats on the occasion that i feel confident enough to quickly remove the hook. I remember the first time i killed a bass by deep hooking it....it bothered me for days! lol it still does.
Guest Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Sure, you can speculate on proper methods, but that doesn't guarantee success. You can operate with the hands of a surgeon & still manage to kill a few. Once the pliers come into play, its a 50/50 chance. (from my experience) I have much better success by clipping the line & swiftly releasing them. I use long shank cricket hooks to catch bream, but 1/10 of them get the gut hook. I use the clip & release on them too.
5bites Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 They are designed to eat those things. Probably the truest thing I've ever seen you say.
Gavin Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Most gut hooks will pop out if you know how to remove it through the gill plate. Turn the eye down, forceps up through the gills. Usually pops out before you have to insert your forceps if you de-barb. No problems with the Neds with weed guards even with kids. Tubes & bait are what they swallow mostly. Had a bit of work with a big smallie a couple weeks ago. Had a 4" jerkbait stuck in her mouth across the lips. 7 of 9 points buried in her mouth. Bait outside. Got her free in 30 seconds, thanks to de barbed hooks but lots a little blood in the process. It happens.
ness Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Interesting. I wasn't familiar with the gill technique. I've always tried to get it out quickly without tearing up the tissue. If I'm not able to pretty quickly I'll cut it off and let it go. Did anybody else think the guy in the video had that fish out of the water way too long? John
abkeenan Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Interesting. I wasn't familiar with the gill technique. I've always tried to get it out quickly without tearing up the tissue. If I'm not able to pretty quickly I'll cut it off and let it go. Did anybody else think the guy in the video had that fish out of the water way too long? 100%. I posted the video for reference but there are some things to be desired in that video....one not using your big fat fingers to go through the gills to reach the line or bait itself....and 2 don't keep the fish out of water that long!
ness Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 100%. I posted the video for reference but there are some things to be desired in that video....one not using your big fat fingers to go through the gills to reach the line or bait itself....and 2 don't keep the fish out of water that long! No complaints about posting it -- it was a good lesson. I always told my kids to hold their breath until they put the fish back in the water. They didn't, but at least they thought about it. John
Fish24/7 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 i'm using sickles for finesse jigs and rarely do they gut hook a fish, and fish have a harder time throwing the sickle once hooked switched to circle hooks on my catfish lines a few years ago, no gut hooked cats either
Fish24/7 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Ehhh, I won't comment on the number of gut hooks a particular bait seems to have or not, I think it's more how a particular person fishes the bait and their particular experience and knowledge of the bait. I don't care what Babbler claims, gut hooked fish don't magicaly spit them out. And hooks are made from better, less corrosive steel. That in its-self will raise the mortality rate that may have been lessened by a lesser grade steel. Should the Ned recieve more negative gut hook press than any other soft plastic presentation? It probably depends on the person themselves. you're right it's not magic, but it happens. saw a 30lb striper spit out a red fin in the well that it had completely swallowed so anything is possible
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