Please explain the rational of fluro for leader material

[Ham]

[dtrs5kprs]

6 hours ago, Ham said:

The disadvantages to me are that 1) fluro is picky about knots. If it gets hot during the knot tying process, it is significantly weakened 2) it is a thicker line than many other choices for leader and usually stiffer as well. It may be less visible, but the subtle effects on the bait may be more noticible. 3) the combination of no stretch mainline and no stretch on leader doesn't offer any advantages and may lead to more breakoffs. I don't think the stretch in 6 foot of mono is going to affect sensitivity negatively and may offer a tiny cushion on the hookset. The rod should give some and you don't have to gorilla the hookset, but still 4) the initial expense of the fluro leader is higher and 5) i'm not convinced that most fluro lines really offer a whole lot of extra abrashion resistence.

Please enlighten me.

 

Avoiding the easy answer...

1) Tie the Trilene knot in your FC and don't stress about it. If you tie it and it looks or feels off, re-tie it. I have tied that knot in FC since I started using Carbon Pro in about 2000. Tied it before in mono, didn't see reason to change.

2) Quality FC is not stiffer- Invizx. Search your feelings, you know this to be true.

3) Superlines are the problem point in break offs with a leader combo. They will pop the leader or knot before breaking. I don't want the line to stretch any more than it has to. As you noted, thus the soft stick.

4) Don't buy Starbucks coffee. 'Nuff saved for FC.

5) I actually tested some 6# mono last spring after Bill said he was using 5# Maxima on the Ned. I broke off more baits trying to pop them out of rocks and wood with the mono, and more fish, than with Invizx. 

...of course the easy answer is, well you know. I am 100% convinced FC will outfish mono, or a combo, especially in clear water. Have seen it too many times, and dating far back before the NR.

[Guest]

Yozuri Hybrid- no leaders, no extra knots, no braid, no nano...........

When wade fishing creeks, I hated taking along floro leader material because it sinks & kept me from fishing small topwaters so I switched to hybrid or mono. 

problem solved.

 

[Ham]

1 hour ago, dtrs5kprs said:

Avoiding the easy answer...

1) Tie the Trilene knot in your FC and don't stress about it. If you tie it and it looks or feels off, re-tie it. I have tied that knot in FC since I started using Carbon Pro in about 2000. Tied it before in mono, didn't see reason to change.

2) Quality FC is not stiffer- Invizx. Search your feelings, you know this to be true.

3) Superlines are the problem point in break offs with a leader combo. They will pop the leader or knot before breaking. I don't want the line to stretch any more than it has to. As you noted, thus the soft stick.

4) Don't buy Starbucks coffee. 'Nuff saved for FC.

5) I actually tested some 6# mono last spring after Bill said he was using 5# Maxima on the Ned. I broke off more baits trying to pop them out of rocks and wood with the mono, and more fish, than with Invizx.

...of course the easy answer is, well you know. I am 100% convinced FC will outfish mono, or a combo, especially in clear water. Have seen it too many times, and dating far back before the NR.

1) I have a no name knot that works just fine with 10, 15, and 17 Seaguar. That I use on baitcasting.

2) I have not found a fluro carbon anywhere close to P Line CX Premium  or Silver Thread AN40. Not In VizX not Abraz X Not Vanish Not Berkley Trilene 100% Fluro. Nope. Not close. Although the Star Wars homage made me smile.

3) I'm using 6lb, 8 lb, and 10 lb Nanofil. My "superline" has NEVER failed on a fish and usually only fails on a dead straight pull at the leader knot. The breakoffs were in the fluro between leader knot and lure.

4) I don't buy coffee at all. Starbucks or otherwise. I would much rather spend money on my tacklebox than my lunchbox.

5) pshaw. I'm 100% convinced an expert in the front of the boat will outfish a beginner in the back of the boat regardless of line used. You fish the braid/leader combo in front and let the noob in your boat have the In VizX rod. If the guy in the back out catches you, I will revisit this issue. As we have discussed, I intend to run a straight fluro rod PRIMARILY for windy days. We'll talk about my experiences with it about June. I'll probably runa  crappie pole with it as well.

[dtrs5kprs]

That straight FC will ruin you. I was thinking of the braid popping the leader, with respect to the no stretch/hooksets issue. The search continues...

[Mitch f]

1 hour ago, dtrs5kprs said:

I am 100% convinced FC will outfish mono, or a combo, especially in clear water. Have seen it too many times, and dating far back before the NR.

And I don't disagree with you. I've maybe been careless in my knot tying too, but I've broken off enough that I really don't trust the knot strength in 100% fluoro. Many factors probably contributed to that too. 

Another thing to consider is the actual line diameter, there's a lot of specsmanship going on there too 

[grizwilson]

57 minutes ago, Ham said:

1) I have a no name knot that works just fine with 10, 15, and 17 Seaguar. That I use on baitcasting.

2) I have not found a fluro carbon anywhere close to P Line CX Premium  or Silver Thread AN40. Not In VizX not Abraz X Not Vanish Not Berkley Trilene 100% Fluro. Nope. Not close. Although the Star Wars homage made me smile.

3) I'm using 6lb, 8 lb, and 10 lb Nanofil. My "superline" has NEVER failed on a fish and usually only fails on a dead straight pull at the leader knot. The breakoffs were in the fluro between leader knot and lure.

4) I don't buy coffee at all. Starbucks or otherwise. I would much rather spend money on my tacklebox than my lunchbox.

5) pshaw. I'm 100% convinced an expert in the front of the boat will outfish a beginner in the back of the boat regardless of line used. You fish the braid/leader combo in front and let the noob in your boat have the In VizX rod. If the guy in the back out catches you, I will revisit this issue. As we have discussed, I intend to run a straight fluro rod PRIMARILY for windy days. We'll talk about my experiences with it about June. I'll probably runa  crappie pole with it as well.

Will challenge you on #5 if we are in a trout boat dragging a chain drifting back?lol

[Guest]

I'm really surprised nobody is fishing hybrid aside from Mitch F & myself. 

It's $9 for 600 yards of 8lb yozuri hybrid, making it the cheapest line that I've found. Why wouldn't you fish hybrid? 

Its just as strong as FC & more abrasion resistant than FC in my opinion. I've wrestled 15" smallies out of river logjams on 8lb hybrid. So I'm not afraid to drop the NR into any nasty lair that might hold bass.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yo-Zuri-Hybrid-Fluorocarbon-8-lb-600yd-Smoke-Fishing-Line-8lb-600-yd-yozuri-/231507220676?hash=item35e6e7d8c4:g:C9kAAOSwBLlVBy9m

 

[Quillback]

I always look at line diameter when comparing lines.  From what I see on TW, Yozuri 8 lb. hybrid is the same diameter as 12 Lb. Invisx.  So, I could get 12 lb. Invisx and fish a line that is the same diameter as 8 lb. Yozuri.  Also makes me wonder if Yozuri is understating their pound rating, so people will buy it and think, man that is some strong stuff for 8 lb. line.

[Ham]

16 minutes ago, TrophyFishR said:

 

 Why wouldn't you fish hybrid? 

What's hybrid about it?

don't be surprised by anything this crew of fisherman do. Not everyone continues to try different lines when they are happy with what they are using. I'm stunned that everyone doesn't love Nanofil like I do. Seriously, very puzzled by it. 

I want strength but I also want thin diameter. It matters more on small baits than large. It also matters more in current than flat water. McCoy plays the thick 8 lb game. It's super strong for 8 lb because it's 12 lb line labelled as 8 lb.